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Chase Bliss Style iOS Guitar Suggestions.
Hey Folks. I have recently been integrating my sonic experiments on guitar into iPad/iOS apps using loopy pro and AUM, have been a big fan of spacefields, borderlands and some space echo stuff, oh also Gauss.
The Chase Bliss Habit guitar pedal has been intriguing me plenty since it’s release but $600 here in OZ is a bit steep, so I thought with some advice from this forum I might find some good iOS apps to stack and get some cool results.
App Prerequisites: randomness, long delays, loops, cool modulation. What would folks suggest?
Many thanks brothers and sisters.
Chase Bliss Habit:
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the Chase Bliss format is very complex, because you have a substantial set of dip switches which can isolate or augment specific parameters to act randomly or interactively. It’s kind of like a lottery ticket worth of possibilities. Add to that midi and presets, and you get these beast pedals where every knob and switch has primary, secondary, and tertiary functions. In the iOS world, you have to build that interactivity through automation and using a combination of apps/fx. No one app is gonna get you Chase Bliss and random inspired interactivity. Maybe in Drambo you could re-create a preset.
I think the best way to do this would be to take a CBA pedal and find the specific complex knob/switch setting or preset that you want to use. Then go to the manual and figure out exactly what that setting is doing with the signal. Once you map out exactly what is happening scientifically, then take it to the iOS drawing board and make a recipe of delay, looper, automation, filter sweep, random wave, flutter, assign apps to busses and have them fold back on each other, etc..etc… my point is don’t look for a CBA pedal as a whole because you won’t find it. Find a setting that you love on the hardware or in demos, understand it, and recreate that setting in iOS.
I almost made this exact same post this morning!!
looking forward to hearing other folks’ ideas.
My favorite concept so far is to p-lock the record button on a flexi sampler in Drambo so that it acts as a continuously recording buffer. Then you can set trigs at your preferred interval, modulate the offset at random, and start adding effects (analog filter and reverb/delay are obviously a good place to start.)
Glitchcore does some of the same things too! Just seems like it’s limited to shorter audio segments.
In the iOS world, you have to build that interactivity through automation and using a combination of apps/fx.
Oh absolutely! i love randomness and use midi tools (mozaic/zoa/rozetta) all the time for midi based instruments, just seeing whats out there in the audio/guitar world. Good suggestions though cheers.
Definitely sounds like a job for drambo, I’m already tempted to give it a go with the flex sampler, maybe mess with some buffer stuff as well…
I spend some time with my dry guitar tracks after the fact and print a bunch of tracks automating various granular, spectral and other effects, manglers, PaulXStretch , shrink and speed and or reverse up the track and then PaulXStretch etc... Then I chop it up and blend it in to sound like a bunch of weird pedals were used. But usually it’s a direct guitar recorded thru a JHS color box originally.
This (free) ‘Shards’ thing was built with Chase Bliss/Make Noise pedals/modules in mind (sloppy demo vid on the page).
https://patchstorage.com/shards/
This version’s kind of a mess/confusing without some kind of a manual but fun/nice results.
Keep meaning to finish v2 but been holding out on some roadmap modules/additions & tweaks to existing modules that giku has mentioned as there’s still a few missing links to recreate chase bliss vibe/functions/workflow atm 🦧
.> @childofthecorndog said:
This looks cool, I have never dived into Drambo world but it seems i may be headed that way now..
Love that Colour Box. Seems to fly under the radar, maybe because JHS never clearly says what is IS in a succinct manner. The vid just shows it doing distortion and then slapped on drums. But man, when you find the sweet spots on the eq and gain, its amazing.
So satisfying to get BIG and pristine 70s and 80s guitars out of two little boxes (the JHS and a Strymon Iridium). Still blows me away.
Short de-rail over. Personally feel like the Chase pedals are more instrument themselves instead of a guitar pedal. As said, programming a single preset-type function is doable, but seems kinda boring because I also feel like those Chase pedals are best for happy accidents and discoveries.
Yeah I agree, to me it’s just a nice Neve channel. Maybe that’s not as popular with guitar pedal heads as other things like the Chase Bliss stuff. It can absolutely destroy a signal nicely also when u turn the gain steps up
I have a deluxe reverb, vox ac4 and an oxbox but I love just using the colour box and mangling it.
Not sure if Other Desert Cities** could get you anywhere close..?
I’ll think it over a bit more in case something else comes to mind. Must admit, haven’t watched or heard anything about that pedal just yet. Going on description only.
** Oh, does that do looping, per se? Hmm...
This was my first thought. ODC handles randomness, longer delays, and cool modulation no sweat. It also has a looping button — basically just sets the feedback to 100%.
For the modifiers, several of the modes do quantized and unquantized pitch/reverse. It doesn’t do the Scan thing. It DOES have a proper multi-tap mode, or you can pan both delay channels to the centre and offset them that way. Haven’t found a great way to emulate the Stability modifier but you can saturate and modulate no problem. You should be able to get near enough to the Dropper modifier using a random LFO on the blend control? And no idea how you’d emulate the Scrambler modifier (aside from creating an effects loop with Replicant 2) or Collect mode (aside from creating an effects loop with Enso).
I don’t have a Habit yet but I sprung for a Blooper last year and have watched many a Habit demo. Basically, I don’t think you can create a proper Habit replacement with Other Desert Cities, but you can certainly replicate some of the core ideas.
Come back in 3 mins and it will play you something random from the past.
Thanks @jrjulius, this is exactly what i was hoping for, ODC looks right for the job, especially with some LFO's assigned to randomize
I want to add „glitch core“ it’s one of those happy bleepandbloops accidents coming out of this when combined with guitar signal
Definitely a chase bliss vibe going on with glitch core
Woodulator has scratched my itch to get a Thermae pedal. If I remember correctly, the developer has openly stated that he was inspired by it. Woodulator clearly doesn't cover all of Thermae's functionality, but it does give me that sort of "I play something and the delay replies with its own thing" vibe that sparks compositional ideas, which I first saw in the Chase Bliss/Tycho video.
I thought that Other Desert Cities would replace Woodulator for me, but Woodulator has that BBD-inspired sound character that I love and ODC has some oddities/bugs in its signal path that make me not to reach for it as much as I'd like. Of course, you could consider those as a plus when experimenting
I was thinking that maybe SpaceCraft, with its infinite mode and the longer, less granular settings, could get somewhere into Habit territory. I don't remember how long is the buffer in infinite mode though, and the LFO doesn't cover the full buffer, so you'd need to trigger playback and modulate the position with an external source; Drambo should fit the bill. Drambo itself could be great by itself but it doesn't have a circular buffer module yet.
Flux:FX was this pedal in an app but RIP.
You could replicate a lot of this with Drambo P-lock and things like Eventide Crystals, Ultra Tap and Undulator or Bleass Delay and ODC.
Hmm if I were going to use IOS pedals to create Chase Bliss bliss
I would start with Bleass plugins suite preferably the granular and Slow down maybe dragonfly
Then I would go to eventide mangle verb and mix and match to my liking
But don't get it twisted nothing compares to the real Chase Bliss Habbit which I want
I would put a granulator in the feedback loop of a delay, or vice versa. This is easy to set up in AUM; I've done it.
Have a look at Gauss and Spacefields.
Not necessarily Chase Bliss like, but if you like ODC, you may like these.
Add Scatterbrain by Bram to the list of getting Habit like effects. I love distributing audio signals to various effects apps with it
GlitchCore, Gauss, Scatterbrain, Drambo, Other Desert Cities, Lunar Lander, TTAP, and the like will get you close
Yeah Scatterbrain is one of my favourites. Crazy what you can do with it with multi out.
How are all the Wood apps? Woodstepper is the only one I have (and I love it) however I haven’t taken the dive on the rest yet. Woodlofier and Woodulator both seem fantastic.
Woodlofier is pretty good, but I'm using other plugins to achieve the same results; ditto for the compressor. Woodstepper goes a bit over my head, the manual is pretty thorough but I've never had the patience to stay with it. This reminded me of BeatCutter, which can sometimes surprise you with a sample it recorded a while ago, replayed under new effects. Understanding it so it just not all random can be hard though, but for some reason it did grab me.
Ditto for the Lo-Fi stuff. CHOWTapeModel is free and can do the same thing with amazing results. Woodstepper definitely takes some getting used to and even then I’m sure I only use it for a small fraction of what it can do.
Thanks for the reply, Woodulator has been added to the “to buy” list?