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Just bought an old cassette recorder, aka hipster machine. What now?.

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  • Hi!. I has some time to fiddle around some more and I’m making progress. There’s a lot more variables involved that I would have guessed!.
    Everything got a lot better after I took out the inbuilt battery… Yes, it’s got a battery for no-plug operation. Amazing thing is that the battery still worked after 40 years or whatever… But there’s no way to turn off the battery, seems like it’s charging while plugged. So even though it worked and the machine was operating my guess is that the power was too low for operation. Thus the extremely low volume and sometimes not recording. So I took it off and levels are a lot better. I can record and play. A lot better.

    Now that I can operate I’d like to improve the recorded signal level and quality… The signal going in seems too hot, very distorted. Also the difference between the “monitor level” (when you press pause/record you can monitor) and the recorded signal is huuuge. If I get the monitor level to sound ok, less distorted, it’s very quiet on recording. Could it be an impedance issue?. I’m using the mixer send aux to the cassette mic input (1/4 jack).
    BTW the “monitor” function has a really cool distorsion sound, very usable on it’s own. Like a gated fuzz kind of thing, very responsive to the input signal and eq changes.
    So, yeah impedance…. Would it be a big factor?. I wouldn’t want a di box just for this and I don’t want the extra hassle. Could a guitar pedal or something else help with impedance?. Or is impedance not likely an issue and I should keep looking?.
    Thanks!

  • Cool, now buy yourself a pencil!

  • edited June 2023

    @raabje said:
    What now? is your question

    If you have children let them wreck it with a hammer or a crowbar, good fun for 15 minutes. Or whack it yourself!

    I really have no clue how such a piece of junk can be incorporated in a setup. In the days of tape decks, there was pretty advanced stuff on the market. This thing is really a low end device, a voice recorder.

    Are you having a good day? If the answer’s yes then ask the people you have around you the same question.

    Music can be made with all sorts. Some people use tape machines to rerecord their stuff through them to get the authentic tape sound. You can play with pitch etc. it can be fun believe me.

    Disclaimer: I don’t use it because I’m not that kind of guy but definitely thought about it.

  • @supadom said:
    Cool, now buy yourself a pencil!

    LOL :smiley:

  • edited June 2023

    @supadom said:
    Music can be made with all sorts. Some people use tape machines to rerecord their stuff through them to get the authentic tape sound. You can play with pitch etc. it can be fun believe me.

    Disclaimer: I don’t use it because I’m not that kind of guy but definitely thought about it.

    Wait, please scroll back to page one, off course I am aware of that

    _Well I can imagine you record a sound or musical part with this thing, and when you play back you change the tape speed (or other way around, change speed while recording) to get a wobbly lofi Boards of Canada sound, This output you record again, back to your DAW or sampler.

    So you can manually manipulate sound with it. It would be nicer if you can automate this process, I see aux in and aux out/earphone on the frontside. I assume this tape machine cannot play and record at the same time? So that would be a dead end._

    Impedance, a guitar pedal has high impedance input, and lower output. Such a thing could be a bridge but it might not be enough. You maybe need a device that has a line out, or headphone output, like a small battery operated amp like the Blackstar Fly3, or a Line6 Pod. Or headphone or line out from the Ipad.

  • Step 2: realise your mistake
    Step 3: sell it

    Jokes aside though, why couldn't you wait for the TE field tape recorder, widely tipped to be released soon for around 2699 EUR?

    In related news, I have a typewriter somewhere up the attic. Are you interested in a special price, mate?

  • @ervin said:
    Step 2: realise your mistake
    Step 3: sell it

    Jokes aside though, why couldn't you wait for the TE field tape recorder, widely tipped to be released soon for around 2699 EUR?

    In related news, I have a typewriter somewhere up the attic. Are you interested in a special price, mate?

    Likewise I have a dot matrix printer I’m willing to part with for the right price.

  • edited June 2023

    @TimRussell said:

    @ervin said:
    Step 2: realise your mistake
    Step 3: sell it

    Jokes aside though, why couldn't you wait for the TE field tape recorder, widely tipped to be released soon for around 2699 EUR?

    In related news, I have a typewriter somewhere up the attic. Are you interested in a special price, mate?

    Likewise I have a dot matrix printer I’m willing to part with for the right price.

    I have some rocks in the back yard you can bang together for an authentic, "old school" drum machine. $100 and they're yours. :smiley:

  • I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.
    It's all about phantasy and presentation.

    About the distorted input: I guess the Mic inpit is just very sensitive so you have to reduce the input level.
    Also, after so many years, contacts inside the recorder could use some cleaning. These can cause all kinds of troubles.

  • @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.
    It's all about phantasy and presentation.

    About the distorted input: I guess the Mic inpit is just very sensitive so you have to reduce the input level.
    Also, after so many years, contacts inside the recorder could use some cleaning. These can cause all kinds of troubles.

    Thanks. Yes, it could be a couple of things… that’s the issue it’s always more than one variable!. If I reduce the input level so that’s it’s “cleanish” when monitoring the recorded signal is really low.
    It’s fun as it is, just extremely crappy-fuzzy sounding, which is great on most occasions but I’d like a “wider palette” out of my 20€ investment. You know, achieve the LUSH factor.

    @ervin said:
    Step 2: realise your mistake
    Step 3: sell it

    Jokes aside though, why couldn't you wait for the TE field tape recorder, widely tipped to be released soon for around 2699 EUR?

    In related news, I have a typewriter somewhere up the attic. Are you interested in a special price, mate?

    Or you could sample the typewriter and make some Drambo patches to share with the folks. Then I could run it through my vintagator device and it’d be vintage heaven.
    I wouldn’t trade my cool-ass tape magic device for a TE water bottle. That’s how much I love it.

  • @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.

    Am I being laughed at?. 😳
    I thought it was just jealousy…

  • @tahiche said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.

    Am I being laughed at?. 😳
    I thought it was just jealousy…

    It is pure jealousy. As it happens I was also bidding on this POS and someone else took it. Imagine my surprise when I saw your smug post!

  • I like using mine for resampling stuff mostly. I’ll record a bunch of samples then record them to tape and then back to digital lol. I like to run stuff really hot into the tape and saturate the shit out of it but that’s about all I do with it

  • @ervin said:

    @tahiche said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.

    Am I being laughed at?. 😳
    I thought it was just jealousy…

    It is pure jealousy. As it happens I was also bidding on this POS and someone else took it. Imagine my surprise when I saw your smug post!

    :open_mouth:

  • @tahiche might be worth posting in the DIY section on modwiggler, there’s some very very helpful people on there that might be able to give some pointers.

    For anyone interested in the technicalities of recording with a cassette deck, this is great read https://www.modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=273962

  • There is a guy who works at a university in Canada who was trained as an opera singer who does some really great stuff with tape recorders. Basically he sings into them and gets unique effects from failures and distortions. He's signed with a boutique "classical" label. I wish I could remember his name.....

  • Several options, mostly recording, some listening. Go on YouTube there are tons of cool techniques, assuming your device has certain things. You can cut the tape so it’s 10seconds then record and loop a section. Layer recordings on top of each other to get unique layering, ie guitar or vocals, or anything

  • Then you could consider modding it in some kind of way, to do something cool, lol.

  • @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.

    I don't think anyone is seriously laughing at tahiche.

    He asked for advice so the smart arses like me can't resist giving him a bit of friendly ribbing about his purchase.

  • edited June 2023

    @Simon said:

    @rs2000 said:
    I wonder why Hainbach, who does a lot more "mistakes", isn't laughed at.

    I don't think anyone is seriously laughing at tahiche.

    He asked for advice so the smart arses like me can't resist giving him a bit of friendly ribbing about his purchase.

    I don’t feel like I’m being laughed at, at all (well, only by @ervin but that’s expected 😜). Man, it’s a 20€ cassette, it’s totally laughable material. It’s not like I was serious about it and spent 2000€ on a TE Op Field to take to the park.
    @ronnieb thanks for the link, some serious tape nerds there.
    @Poppadocrock yeah, I already got a couple of tape loops, purchased from Etsy as they were very cheap and perfect quality.
    I’m including a small audio file in case you’re curious. It’s a 5 sec sound-on-sound loop (you cover the erase head with some tinfoil) of a guitar into the very fuzzy tape. Then I’m using the speed slider on the tape machine to alter the pitch, the way it glides it actually feels like an instrument in that way. Only some reverb added.

  • I picked this groovy old thing up in a charity shop yesterday, it works but I can’t find any reference to it on the internet, let alone a manual. The groovy thing is, it seems to sample a short segment and loop playback that, it’d be ace if I could get both tape and sample playback simultaneously, might have to open it up and see sometime, and hopefully not break it!


  • @Krupa said:
    I picked this groovy old thing up in a charity shop yesterday, it works but I can’t find any reference to it on the internet, let alone a manual. The groovy thing is, it seems to sample a short segment and loop playback that, it’d be ace if I could get both tape and sample playback simultaneously, might have to open it up and see sometime, and hopefully not break it!


    How can it loop without a looping tape? Wouldn’t it need to rewind each time?

  • edited June 2023

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  • @Svetlovska said:
    Linguaphone: As you probably know, a language learning correspondence course company. I think this might be what you are looking for:

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    Oh boogy hell, nice one @Svetlovska i didn’t even think to look there, I’ll see if they have any legacy support as I’m not sure this one is quite as groovy as that, thanks 🙏

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr yeah, sorry, I’m using loop cassettes with it, the digital bit seems to loop itself though

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