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These guys are generally extremely well informed and make rational calls on that basis. This episode explores pretty much all the possible outcomes, very good for understanding a broader perspective.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/disorder/id1706818264?i=1000713173445
That’s the BBC isn’t it? They’ve been extremely biased in regards Gaza and Ukraine reporting. Just to let you know.
In one case they reported ‘man found dead in house’ or words to that effect, when the actual case was the IDF with dogs had raided a family home and their dogs savaged the adult disabled son while removing the family but leaving him, the family returned to find his dead body due to blood loss. The BBC did later change the story, but still horrendous reporting.
I’m talking about people looking at things from different angles, they do at one point in that express personal opinions, but they actually differ between the two experts talking. I’m not personally interested in hearing one sided polemics, and if people listen to it, they’ll hear the conflict and its possible outcomes analysed from a wide variety of perspectives.
TBH mate I’m not massively keen on having any sort of debate with you as it’s pretty apparent from your stream of click bait that you’ve got a scarf firmly wrapped around you that’s probably never gonna come free enough to consider things that aren’t confirming the beliefs you hold.
Don’t forget ‘Russia has lost’ mate.
Honestly, I don’t pretend to know the answers. It’s v very easy to get all wrapped up in that watching your feeds fill up with whatever it is that you’re paying most attention to. I posted the podcast because it does offer a broad perspective, very little opinion, but a lot of very considered analysis of how multi polar this world is, and just how many possible outcomes and routes through it there are. The analysis each of them favours is the one they believe will allow the end of this conflict to come in a realistic fashion with the least harm to all involved. That to me is a rational take on it, not lots of fevered speculation and she said he said 🤷
I post from a wide variety of sources who have been reasonable accurate in the information they provide, ex intel, ex military, ex diplomatic, academic, they all provide information whilst not been tied to vested interests, the same cannot be said of most guests on the MSM, lots are usually tied to the MIC, especially in the USA.
Honestly I’ve tried a few of your posts but they’re almost without fail breathlessly delivered hot takes delivering an opinion. But you do you and enjoy 🤘
Maybe this will.
https://youtube.com/shorts/mPQWh7wZVgg?si=X9af82uLN6LZsjf4
Keep attacking the man mate, ignore that ball 🙌
What are you on about, that’s Owen Jones ex-Labour now telling you exactly what I said about the BBC.
You see @Krupa I pointed out about the Ukraine - Russia conflict before it started and that it was linked to NATO expansion.
I also pointed to the Gaza Genocide shortly after the Hamas attack providing a video with children singing their intentions.
These are just a couple of incidents I’ve alluded to before they became mainstream.
I know exactly who he is, but he’s attacking the man, not the ball. It’s sad to see this is how things break down, that people are more concerned with the supposed manufacture of consent than the actual atrocities occurring on the ground.
As I said, I just wanted post a bit of useful information for everyone else to see without someone just trashing it because they don’t like the kip of a particular organisation.
‘Pravda of knewspeak has proclaimed this source to be unsound’ 😅 like get a grip mate, just have a a listen before you damn everything that looks like it smells funny…
There’s got to be a description somewhat like sea lioning for this behaviour, there’s a phd in it for someone cleverer than I for sure…
No you’re putting words into my mouth, I pointed out they can be biased if you read my posts you’ll also note that lately they have done some better reporting, which I also related in a post, as to why this is the case, I’d guess diminishing viewership or they’re human and care too, for instance Gary Lineker.
This is why I didn’t want to engage with you, just no way to have a reasonable conversation. Link re added below for anyone who can’t be bothered with it either…
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/disorder/id1706818264?i=1000713173445
Reasonable conversation you call me ‘Pravda’ doesn’t get much worse, then you act the victim?
You immediately attack a very reasonable post with accusations of bias and then later on post a link to yet another rant about ‘mainstream media’, it’s just impossible to deal with. If my joke offends I am sorry, but the truth is that most people in the UK are smart enough to make their own minds up (the statistics on opinions on Gaza are and have been clear for pretty much the duration - they mostly don’t like the actions of Israel to be clear).
So I think constant hand wringing about the messenger is really not constructive, it’s just distracting people from having a broad understanding of the conflicts. I’m probably more aligned with your views than you think, but I get very frustrated by this constant beating of the drum…
I constantly ‘beat the drum’ as you say because of the escalation in regards to both conflicts, NATO and Europe stating they’re readying for war with Russia in the next decade, Israel well they start a new war every few weeks.
So why attack immediately without even listening to a piece of media that examines each realistic route of finding ways out of this conflict?
I will listen, but a little bit more information about the participants would have helped I do read the BBC website and also watch second hand reports from them, but I no longer pay for the privilege.
LOL.
It’s funny going back in time….
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/48105/apartheid-is-fascism-or-your-crypto-won-t-save-you-when-the-jackboots-come-a-marching/p13
The more things change, the more….
Well the fascist mafioso cabal, continue their murderous psychotic ways, killing journalists, politicians, leaders and still have time to continue their slaughter in Gaza.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74zj9kv2xjo
NatZio Netanyahu and Trump the Terrorist, united in evil.
Mask Off Merz - Israel is doing our dirty work
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104
Trump says WE control the skies over Iran and post other demented sick comments.
MAGA out NeoCon warmongers amid massive split in Trump base.
When was the last time anyone was taken to court for war crimes? Kosovo? and did the charges lead to a sentance and incarceration. If they don’t put teeth in that body of International Law then you get what we have now.
milošević comes to mind, but he didn't make it through his trial.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Slobodan_Milošević
as for kosovo, wikipedia points here (although it's not been updated for a couple of years):
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65161897
tbh, i don't expect that there will be satisfying "justice" when it comes to netanyahu and putin etc. the #1 priority is stopping more harm being caused. then it's fixing things that can still be fixed. and then it's justice.
in terms of what sticks there are to beat them with, i think putin genuinely cares about his place in history, so i guess the court's teeth would feature there?
personally, i hope he's remembered as a belligerent wrongun child-snatcher with little beady pig eyes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
just to add: that's not my picture (just in case anybody thinks that it might be, it's not).
i found it at https://thisisnthappiness.com/
Ted Cruz CheerMonger for AIPAC, ex BBC journalist Rifat Jawai explains.
More spin from the media, creating the narrative for war with Iran.
So now the deceitful bastards enter the war.
Well looking like Seymour Hersh is correct again.
https://english.ahram.org.eg/News/548326.aspx