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Synthscaper
What are your experiences with it?
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Synthscaper will not get an Auv3 update
Only maintenance updates
I think this is why Igor did make Synthscaper LE. That one is AUv3, and you can export your patches from Synthscaper to it.
https://apps.apple.com/dk/app/synthscaper-le/id1445569079
Yeah but I like synthscapers user interface more than the LE version.
That seems a bit boring.
I do not disagree, but I think that the LE is more thought of as the AUv3 version that can player patches made in the main version + bit of marco controls. Whatever we find this good or bad, I do not think, we will get an AUv3 version of the stand alone. In other words - this is the way to go, if you want to use it as AUv3. (This has been up in several discussions already, if you try to search the forum a bit.)
Used to be one of my favourite synths, such a shame he’s given up on it (no updates for 6 years).
I didn’t realise the LE version worked as an AU, wonder if it works in a Mac DAW? That would be something at least, though that hasn’t had an update for 5 years. I’ll give it a shot if there’s another sale.
I hear synthscaper is great. I have literal trauma from FieldScaper though, so I stay away... just seeing the UI zaps all will from my spirit.
So, as the full version doesn’t support AUv3, I’ve grabbed the LE version which states support for Mac and DAW’s that can host AU’s.
Result: instant crash in Ableton, and loading error in Logic.
If you’re thinking of buying this to use on a Mac - don’t bother.
I asked him and he says he has not abandoned it and will keep it working as is.
It doesn’t work, see my post above.
Oh I meant the ios version.
So it doesnt work on mac and the developer does nothing about that?
Are you sure you read that claim correctly?
Clearly, the App Store says 'not verified' for MacOS. And the claim of plugin support for DAWs and audio hosts seems to be limited to iOS and iPadOS:
"This app can work on iPhone and iPad as standalone and can be used with any audio host or DAW apps that support AUv3 or Inter-App audio connection." https://motion-soundscape.blogspot.com/2019/01/synthscaper-le-multitimbral-atmospheric.html
Nowhere does it mention MacOS, and given that we're talking about an iOS app (and also that "Inter-App audio connection" is purely an iPhone/iPad thing), seems strange to extrapolate it as intending to include MacOS support.
The iOS version works fine, and it loads in standalone on the Mac, but it’s a pointless purchase for anyone with the full Synthscaper app, as that already works in standalone, missing the point of buying the LE version which is supposed to work in AUv3 DAW’s.
I’m not exaggerating anything. From the Store description:
“ Compatibility iPad
Requires iPadOS 11.0 or later.
iPhone
Requires iOS 11.0 or later.
iPod touch
Requires iOS 11.0 or later.
Mac
Requires macOS 11.0 or later and a Mac with
Apple M1 chip or later.”
“ This app can work as standalone and can be used with any audio host or DAW apps that support AUv3 or Inter-App audio connection.”
Which pretty clearly states it works on a Mac, and is compatible “ with any audio host or DAW apps that support AUv3”.
And since the developers more recent apps load perfectly into Ableton and Logic on my Mac, I don’t see why it was wrong for me to think this one would too.
I’m not going to ask for a refund - it was only two quid and I can still use it on the iPad, but I was really looking forward to using it on the Mac in a DAW, which was my whole reason for buying it.
I hope he updates it - it’s been 5 years now. I’ve got all his other apps, but this will be the last purchase if not.
Interesting. I don't usually look at that Compatibility list, which is basically irrelevant or misleading for MacOS if the app isn't verified.
I'm pretty sure that list is automatically generated by Apple and Igor may not even be aware of it. The Mac App Store clearly says at the top of the Synthscaper LE page: "Designed for iPad. Not verified for MacOS".
I think the same problem exists for any app for which the developer has never gotten a Mac version verified, but who also has not explicitly opted out of allowing Apple to distribute the unverified version from the Mac App Store. That Compatibility list will include M1 Macs. But the app may work, or it may not. But I expect the blame here is mostly with Apple, not with Igor, who is probably unaware of how the system works.
Also, the sentence that says Synthscaper LE works "with any audio host or DAW apps that support AUv3” might well have been written before M1 Macs even existed, when it was of course a given that an iOS/iPadOS app only worked on iOS/iPadOS machines.
It doesn’t state that on the App Store page.
We can debate who’s to blame until the cows come home, but the point of sale is the Apple Store, not his own website (which doesn’t say it isn’t compatible), so customers will purchase based on the compatibility list on the App Store.
Synthscaper was my favourite synth for a long time, but it was never updated to support AUv3. He bought out a new app instead, so I’ve purchased that one, but unlike his other Mac compatible listed AU’s, it doesn’t load into a DAW. Yes it works on the iPad, but that’s not why I bought it.
‘It’s only £1.99 old guy, get over yourself’. Absolutely. And I will enjoy using it on the iPad, and I won’t be looking for a refund.
I would love to be able to use this in Ableton like his other apps. It’s a unique synth that absolutely deserves some love and attention.
No-one is at fault here, but it is a disappointment for me, and will make me think twice about purchasing from this dev in the future.
It says that both on the Mac App Store page, and also in the Mac App Store search results, where you can also see that it does not show up as a "Mac App", only as "iPhone & iPad App".
I would say very little blame should be placed on the developer.
You're really determined to prove a point on this one, aren't you.
I didn't buy it from there, you’re mis-quoting me. But, anyway, on the Mac Store product page, it also says this:
As I've already said: "No-one is at fault here".
My point is, there's an issue here where it's virtually impossible to know whether an app that clearly states "Works on this MacBook Pro", actually does.
In this case, it doesn't work as stated. But I have a whole bunch of apps that also state 'Designed for iPad. Not verified for Mac OS" that work absolutely perfectly. So buying a universal app is a bit of a lottery.
The issue with Synscaper LE is that it half-works on a Mac. It installs and works in standalone, but despite it's AU credentials and confirmation that it "Works on this MacBook Pro", it doesn't load as an AU. So in this sense, it's fair to say there's an issue with the app, and requires an update.
So despite 'no blame' on the developer for it not working, it would be helpful to his customers if he put aside a few minutes to add a disclaimer on the App store description, or better still updated the app so it works in the same way his more recent AU's do.