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Let me rephrase then, "In my experience, particularly while job hunting, I found a single Chat GPT search to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more effective than a single Google Search."
Eh, think I'll bail actually.
It is a part of every society, capitalist or not.
Yah, you're not my type.
I didn't think someone would actually take my joke seriously and waste their time and generation credits on this. I was not able to access the track itself with your link, but it doesn't matter. I have checked last week a few Suno's tracks in different genres and I still can't find anything convincingly good to my ears.
That being said Suno sound quality and mix clarity definitely seem to be improving. Level of creativity is absolutely lame and I found everything boring both musically and in terms of lyrics.
Udio is slightly more creative and sometimes even able to create unexpected material, but the sound quality and mix/master are mediocre and the lyrics are also extremely lame.
As @offbrands mentioned, mastering a skill takes years of practice. I find it regrettable that someone who is aware of the gratification of real creative achievement still wants to shortcut this step and leave a good portion of the creative part to one of those AI... Unless you're a professional under untenable deadlines pressure, creation shouldn't be a race. In that regard, the argument of time and money doesn't really hold. Even Lots of the great professional musicians and filmmakers don't give a s... about the time it will take them to finish their next work. What matters to them is to deliver something they can be proud of. As an amateur, I think that should also be the spirit. Cost is also not really an issue anymore . These days, one can achieve great things with low budget tools / instruments.
In terms of lyrics I think people should simply stay away from those models. They really suck.
Musically, I could somehow understand the appeal when someone is stuck in a writer's block dead end. If it is occasional and just a way to set yourself back on creative tracks, why not (not discussing the already discussed environmental cost...). But I can't understand why people would end up making this a habit. Choosing a tempo, time signature and more importantly a chord progression and structure are as important as lyrics, melody and instrumentation choice to make the final products completely yours. Choosing to go the AI way feels like warming up junky frozen food in the microwave when with a bit of time and well chosen ingredients, you could have cooked a great, healthy and enjoyable meal.
As for your videos, I don't want to go into details as to why I am not enjoying those, but the main reason is not because of the use of AI. It has more to do with the fact I am really not into the "Zack Snyder effect", if that makes sense... Entertainment doesn't necessarily have to be arty, but I feel respected and rewarded when there's a bit of depth and substance added to it.
And to address something that I have seen you repeating many times on different threads... I can obviously only speak for myself, but I don't think anyone here hates you for using those AI models. Same goes for your AI videos generations. I personally don't like those but I don't hate those neither and have no right to dismiss their existence. I don't think it is necessary for you to introduce those in an apologetic way like you sometimes do, especially when you seem so happy if not proud of those. It almost feels like posing as the victim in a public execution by a hord of AI haters. Again, I honestly don't think anyone hates you or what you're doing. Those of us who don't appreciate can look the other way, especially as we now clearly know what to expect from those videos.
Regarding AI, There are clear sides and anybody hating you for picking one, is not worth of interest. You seem to have found a way to enjoy yourself. that's what matters the most eventually. Our lives are fragile and so short, so we should make the most of these the best we can and while we can. I simply wish you trusted and believed in your own creative power more than in your tools'.
I did not know that in order to share a song it had to be published. If you want to further amuse yourself , I went ahead and published it.
https://suno.com/s/A43exdzvJmhT7h0r
It certainly isn't something I would have made on my own. As far as the credits I used, if it gave someone here a chuckle I consider them well spent.
As a recovering people pleaser, my apologetic tone is second nature. A holdover defense mechanism from my musical but traumatic childhood. I won't drag you all through the details.
I'm not looking for sympathy, just trying to provide a better idea of where I'm coming from. If anything, these conversations are helpful.
It's good to be able to see that you can disagree with someone and NOT hate them and even if someone decides they don't like me personally, it isn't the end of the world.
If my videos remind you of Zack Snyder's work then I really need to work on my craft. I'm not a fan of over color corrected, grimdark fantasies with symbolism that is about as subtle as a sledgehammer either.
But for fans of his work, you do you 😄
I really should be thanking you. If it weren't for you and others sharing your honest opinions about AI I probably wouldn't have left the nest and sought out more receptive audiences.
I've found communities on X for AI film makers and have had my videos shared on the "AI Video Music Show" which has audiences in the thousands. If I continue to improve there's a very real chance my videos could end up on Alchemy, a channel on Apple TV and Roku devices.
As I said before, I can't possibly give back what this place has given me.
Good luck and take care
Mac
@MadeofWax
I'm happy to hear that you found a community of like minded and receptive people. The improvement of your videos seems directly correlated to the improvement of the AI models you're using, so given the current massive investment in this tech, your videos can only get better, at least visually. The cyberpunk Alice was already a step up. Few days ago I started to write you a PM with some honest and sincere thoughts and suggestions about this video. Eventually, I decided not to send it cause it became clear that creators, including me, sharing their work on forums and sns are usually looking for validation and audience to advertise their work, not critical dissection of their work. I'm sorry if the Snyder analogy stings but I can't unsee it.
You seem very ambitious, so I truly hope for your videos to reach one day all those beautiful landmarks of 100k, 500k and 1M views if that's your dream. Have you already taken all the measures to protect your copyrights (if that's even possible with AI)? I can only speak for the musical aspect for which I have experience. If not already done, you should definitely register your songs with a P.R.O. There's a non neglectable amount of songwriting royalties that can be generated on top of recording royalties when touching a broader audience. And if your music is featured on streaming services like Apple TV, there's an even more non neglectable amount that can be negotiated through synchronization licensing. Don't sit on what's "yours" 😉
Anyway best of luck on your journey to fame, money and glory 💵🥇🕺
I find generating AI outputs is usually more in the category of consumption rather than creation. After an hour long session (and hundreds of images later), even when I do a lot of "creative direction", back and forth, feeding images in on themselves, processing, reprocessing with various methods and tools it all still feels like DJing to me which always felt at best like a special form of listening more so than any sort of deep creative act. But I guess one can create a wardrobe and not even stitch a single thread.
As I see it, generative anything turns you into a creative director or customer for the product. You submit your wants and the system delivers.
Earl Grey hot.
Thank you for taking the time to listen and watch and reply.
You might be the first person to ever call me ambitious. If my parents were alive they might even be a little proud.
As I'm hoping to improve, honest criticism is far more valuable to me than polite applause. My comments about Zach Snyder while true, were half joking. He's an accomplished film maker, and even if I'm not a fan, I respect that he has made a career for himself and many people enjoy his style. Not me. But many people.
I appreciate that you wish me success. I hope you know that I'm sincere when I say I wish the same for you. Whether it is the respect and admiration of your peers, the adulation of fans, or perhaps just knowing that something you shared helped someone feel less alone in the world and gave them hope when life's burdens felt too hard to bear.
If art has a greater purpose than that, I don't know what it is.
That might happen eventually... See: K. Eric Drexler's book, "Engines of Creation"
Oh hecks yah, I recall his articles in Omni Magazine.
And by the way, Apple's microprocessors are now being manufactured using a 3 nanometer die process (TSMC is the company fabricating these chips). Anything less than 9 nm was considered a massive, almost unsolvable problem years ago. I consider these technical achievements beyond amazing.
And the scale of engineering involved to create these chips could be bringing us that much closer to the "nano-assemblers" mentioned in Drexler's books.
Wow, very kewl, yah I haven't really been keeping tabs on it but I used to really trip on the idea of how things like mitochondria may be nanotechnology that was either intentionally or unintentionally introduced into the world by an intelligent sentient species, like we may do one day.