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I don’t know much about web-based hosts. How do plugins work in this format?
That is a very good question, I searched the webpage and no mention of VST, AU or even AuV3, nor does the word plugin get any bites.
@Pxlhg @gusgranite no plugins supported or planned. I also don't think this would be feasible, as there is no plug-in standard for web-based hosts AFAIK, neither do I think that running existing plug-ins (VST or AUv3), which probably all are native code, would in any way be technically feasible in a web-based DAW.
Okay 🤔
Thank you for explaining. That’s interesting and a bit different to my currently limited concept of a DAW. I think this makes more sense to me if I look at it more like a self-contained groove box in that case.
Either way, it’s very exciting and I wish you the best with it!
I'd never use a DAW that couldn't host plugins. I'd be intrigued for a short while, but that's it. Nobody cares about the underlying technology. They just want to be able to work without limitations. That's a show stopping limitation. I could do as much 25 years ago in my first DAW.
A marketing partner would need to answer the question of what characteristics of the product make it worth the tradeoff in functionality vs. the competition.
Zero install could be a big selling point. I'm thinking for schools maybe?
Another reason why instead of asking for 100,000 euros, you should ask for 200,000
Thank you! Yes, it is entirely self-contained. I know this is generally not a very common or even widely desired design approach, but I myself actually prefer it, as it's far less janky and prone to third-party-induced instability. Plus the entire UI/UX is under full control of the app and everything looks and feels consistent and integrated.
To me, what matters most is: Does the tool (DAW) let you reach your actual goal (i.e., producing music) easily and efficiently? Which this one does -- look at the demos (even if they're not your style of music 😄).
Yes, exactly, one of the main tasks I'm looking to outsource!
Yes, good point. I think the fact that it's entirely based on web technologies and thus runs with zero install on anything from a toaster to a supercomputer, architecture-independent, might actually be the main selling point.
(toaster slightly exaggerated but not much 😄)
Also thinking Chromebooks maybe, if they're still a thing.
As I remember, adding AUv3 to NanoStudio is what diverted the devs attention and time (due third party induced issues) from audio tracks and contributed to the slow demise of that app. Best of luck to you @SevenSystems
You'll laugh -- Xequence internal development version actually DOES have AUv3 hosting support 😄 I did it as an experiment in 2020. It's mostly complete. But yeah, I saw loads of issues and obvious implementation flaws in pretty much any plug-in I've tried... I went so far and actually started adding an exception database as well (as NS2 Matt has probably done), but at some point the whole COVID business started and I got thrown off track anyway...
(here's the internal database I started, as proof...)
"To me ..."
That right there encapsulates what makes me sadly doubt you'll be successful with this. Staying true to yourself and your own vision is admirable. I just don't think it helps a lot in finding a market. Sorry, but I don't think there are enough people like you out there to make that strategy successful.
That's a pattern. You stuck to your vision for Xequence 2, resisting calls to make a paired down version as an AUv3, and calls to add audio tracks to Xequence 2, and calls to add time signature support, tempo changes, etc ... because those didn't fit your vision based on your preferred way of working.
As a result you made the absolute best and most elegant standalone midi sequencer ever ... that not enough people are interested in using in the same way you think it should be.
I really, really, hope I'm wrong about this. Hopefully there's a market out there that this fits. I really hope you find someone that can aid in that search.
(sorry for all the unqualified, un-asked for commentary. I'll shut up now.)
You can stop apologizing preemptively. I'm completely rational and absolutely immune (though not deaf) to any form of constructive criticism, which all of yours is (although I'd feel inclined to say you might sometimes err on the side of pessimism rather than optimism in most of your posts 😄).
Yes, it's a pattern, and I'm glad you notice it. I know it's probably detrimental to my own financial well-being... but damn, does it feel good and will I stick to it! 😁
(but also, that just reinforces the desperate necessity for me to find a "Marketing Guy"...)
(and thank you for the compliments!)
I wanted to say something along these lines earlier, I think (sadly indeed) that this is bang on the money.
Go for it @SevenSystems! Great people are always the ones who stick to their vision.
Unfortunately I think it's bang NOT on the money. You could say "No BANG for no BUCK" 🥴
As a fellow creative type type with a stubborn streak who's no good at making money, I empathize and sympathize brother 😂👍🙏
Then this thread has already fulfilled a divine, if unexpected, purpose 😄