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Making Music With AI: with Holy Herndon and Nicholas Thompson
This is a great discussion about creative and collaborative uses of AI. Holly Herndon began using AI tools in 2016.
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No wonder I never heard of her.
I know there's a lot of mistrust and/or hate for "A.I." here, but I'm all in on the use of generative music, art and video. These are the new tools. I still use "traditional" techniques, but as artists, it's good to push boundaries and see what's possible.
I am not a hater of AI but I love making music too much to let AI do the work. There is so much I have not explorer in the music world. I am too selfish to share.
The one thing I would let AI taking over is mixing. I really struggle with it.
When it comes to generative music the more you "customize" your requests for the model, the more the final result will sound like a co-produced product that came from you and the AI model. If you let the system do everything, then the end result will be bland and generic.
I don’t want to share with AI. I enjoy the whole process of making music too much.
She does some pretty amazing music with interesting tech. Saw her speak at perform at an Ableton Loop event, it was impressive.
@mojozart : Thanks for that
My knee-jerk reaction is "I used to mess with AI for album covers, but I'm done with that mess." However, I'll check the video out tomorrow with an open mind. 🙏 But like @ecou , I enjoy the process of making music too much to become an AI bro, lol. 😂
I’ve been playing and making music for the majority of my life. I enjoy the process. Generative music, art and video are just a new process. 😀
Seem to be, but I've learned throughout this year to see things a bit more from @offbrands ' perspective and to value "hand crafted" things, whether physically hand-crafted or digitally so in a DAW, in ProCreate, etc.
But you are not making the music. It’s the AI. We’re the phone in that ?
Couldn’t there be a process for making music that mimics a workflow from 3d, where you construct the scene with all the necessary models, and then you let the AI texture and add all the tedious details?
In 3d it’s especially useful for backgrounds and environments. Without the handheld guidance and base scene input from the user, the AI would never have been able to create the end result from just a prompt or some tangential references.
Some people also get AI to generate a variety of fodder materials that then get used like you would sample packs or presets.
Really? “Just a new process “ ? No moral or ethical implications? You make it sound like ‘oh I used to play the trumpet, but now I play the cello - it’s just a different instrument’…..
Look up “A.I environmental impact “
Well not only that, but also A.I. scraping user data. Also how A.I. screwed me out of a few freelance commissions (whether due to generated music or generated images). It's when I started getting less clients due to A.I. that I turned against it entirely.
(Yeah, I was a little drunk last night when I posted my "open mind" comment. 🫣 Had a couple of strong post-gig drinks.)
I mean, in the right creative hands, I suppose A.I. can be useful?
(bullshit)
But then again, any Tom, Dick and Harriet can use A.I. Bar of entry is very low indeed, and that mentality seems to be "I can use AI, so why should I hire a professional which is more expensive in this economy?" Thereby screwing me and other freelance professionals out of work, forcing us to work a regular 9-5 to make ends meet. 🙄 Like as if I were back in uni learning to produce music in the first place.
We're going to have a sizeable solar flare eventually that wipes out all this electrical novelty that modern society is based anyway.
Fake news
Miyake event, Carrington Event of 1859 etc. Going to happen again and catch us with our pants down. One week of no electricity will be unrecoverable for current society and getting the AI farms back online will be low priority,
Similar trajectory for me.
AI "art" in any form is horrible for several reasons already mentioned above.
Exactly. I think you, @Kashi @offbrands and I are all on the same page.
Fake news. The Second Coming will happen before that. 😜 LOL! 😂
Hehe, well there actually have been solar flares.
I was just joking guys! I think I been watching too much news. 😆
Okay, who launched Taco Bell food towards the sun? (I mean, whenever I eat Taco Bell, same thing, lol.)
I'm joking too, lol.
My humour may sometimes be hard to read without you hearing my tone of voice and seeing my wry face.
That depends on whether humans are still in charge of setting priorities by then.
... and whether there's still anybody left who knows how to do such things without consulting chatGPT.
If you are a member of a band, you can't take full credit when every member of the band has a say. Generative services are collaborative. Your input, plus the input of the system.
If you are a conductor, are you making music when you conduct? Answer: Yes.
If you use samples, loops or any kind of pre-made thing in your music-making process... are you the author? Answer: Yes, you're the author. Like all artists and musicians, we build on what others have done before us.
Pretty sure without electricity Mr GPT will be pretty quiet anyway.
When you're conducting, are the members of the orchestra forced at gunpoint to play music against their will? Because as far as I'm aware, AI scraped people's music against their will.
That's my point. At the rate that people are relying on AI to think for them, we're headed toward being helpless on our own.