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AI generated music starts to be serious

Ok, this blew my mind .. I have to officially admit i REALLY like this - not as a elaborate AI but as an actual song. There is more on that YT channel - it’s made by Rick Beato mostly using Suno ..

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  • I wanna ask Rick: “where’s the key change, man??”

    Is he explaining how he’s working with it? I tried giving a key and a Roman numeral progression to another ai music making AI , but it didn’t work. Just wondering if he’s doing shorter samples and manipulating later.

  • Rick is a pro musician, not a pro promoter. He got out of the system what he requested.

  • I read the channel description and there is no indication that Rick is involved in this project. Where did you get the info ?

  • @dendy said:
    Ok, this blew my mind .. I have to officially admit i REALLY like this - not as a elaborate AI but as an actual song. There is more on that YT channel - it’s made by Rick Beato mostly using Suno ..

    Sadly, this is pretty impressive. Googling Rick Beato's involvement I just saw this a few times: "Sadie Winters is the artist who never was — and yet became real enough to move millions. Conceived on CBS Saturday Morning in a collaboration between journalist Dave Malkoff and music producer Rick Beato, Sadie was created entirely with artificial intelligence."

    The vague way that is written and the lack of other info about Rick Beato's involvement are not indicators that Beato is heavily involved in this or had anything to do with making this song or video. Maybe he did, but you'd think they'd mention that in the video blurb, and the video would have a hell of a lot more views than the 9k it currently has!

  • I can't put my finger on why, but just watching that video gives me the creeps. I might be OK with the song if I had just listened to it without the video, but ... eh ... I just can't watch any of that video without feeling weird. Maybe I'll give the song a listen on it's own later.

  • @wim said:
    I can't put my finger on why, but just watching that video gives me the creeps. I might be OK with the song if I had just listened to it without the video, but ... eh ... I just can't watch any of that video without feeling weird. Maybe I'll give the song a listen on it's own later.

    Same, I couldn't handle the eyes. I just scrolled down and listened. It's not the style of music I'm into but it sounds as good as any of the other generic garbage in the charts today.

  • @wim said:
    I can't put my finger on why, but just watching that video gives me the creeps. I might be OK with the song if I had just listened to it without the video, but ... eh ... I just can't watch any of that video without feeling weird. Maybe I'll give the song a listen on it's own later.

    Yes, the video is definitely a bit off, but I think that's probably largely down to the decisions of the 'creators' rather than the limitations of Sora. Humanity is on a depressing trajectory...

  • edited October 2025

    Wow, if the video was also generated based on the text input, that's pretty scary. If this is a freely available model, I'd rather not know what model the military has at its disposal.

  • No, sorry… this sucks. Yes, it’s extremely derivative and generic, but it’s also just bad. Use your ears. It’s like white noise squeezed into a mold. There’s just nothing going on.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2025

    I have to agree. After listening without the video … meh.
    No not meh. Bleh.
    Empty. The vocal is ok, I guess. The music is just a soulless wall of overdone sound and cliches.
    This does absolutely nothing for me.
    It’s really hard for me to imagine Rick Beato not loathing it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • heshes
    edited October 2025

    On a related note, I enjoyed this recent discussion between Yuval Harari and the (very accomplished) Japanese pop star, Hikaru Utada.

    "The Evolution of AI and Creativity: Yuval Noah Harari × Hikaru Utada"
    :

  • generic, boring, ai at its best.

  • @timfromtheborder said:
    No, sorry… this sucks. Yes, it’s extremely derivative and generic, but it’s also just bad. Use your ears. It’s like white noise squeezed into a mold. There’s just nothing going on.

    Yes, the high end on this is full of absolutely hideous artifacts

  • @wim said:
    I can't put my finger on why, but just watching that video gives me the creeps. I might be OK with the song if I had just listened to it without the video, but ... eh ... I just can't watch any of that video without feeling weird. Maybe I'll give the song a listen on it's own later.

    Yeah, they still haven't mastered the "uncanny valley"...

  • I’m genuinely surprised by some of the admiration for this here: I watched it all the way through and frankly, it’s exactly what I’d expect AI to produce - generic pop with a ‘heard it a million times before’ type of catchy chorus hook. I’m afraid I don’t agree that this represents AI music getting serious. What worries me is that it will get much better than this.

    The video, even if it weren’t AI generated with all of the problems that others have pointed out (the bits where she’s mouthing the words (singing?) really don’t convince and don’t actually quite look like the same person as the rest), is spectacularly boring.

  • Not my kind of thing but wouldn't have been able to tell it was AI generated in a blind test. So it passes the musical equivalent of the Turing test. Shows where things are heading whether we like it or not🙉

  • And AI will only improve exponentially. A couple of years from now this will be the new norm.

    I genuinely thought that AI would be hear to help us with out science and manufacturing problems which would allow humans to concentrate on creative endeavors like music.

    Sadly this appears to not be the case.

  • Soulless.

    The video does indeed make it even worse as she is completely devoid of emotion when it shows her singing.

  • edited October 2025

    I like to think of artists like Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits when considering this Ai stuff. Sure, you could prompt “make a rom waits still song” now and sure it’ll get pretty close, but without his catalog or career before it, these robots never would have got there on their own. Ai is “reactionary” imo, it can mimic but it can’t start from the ground up when it comes to musical creativity like theirs. Sure, the masses “can’t tell the difference” between this pop stuff because it’s the nature of the genre, but the masses don’t even know who Tom waits is (they might know “the waltzing Matilda song” but I’m sure they couldn’t tell you the name of the song haha)

    Edit: I’m leaving the Rom Waits typo, could be a good electronic artist name 🤙

  • @bluegroove said:
    Soulless.

    The video does indeed make it even worse as she is completely devoid of emotion when it shows her singing.

    Yes, but in that way it's perhaps similar to many or most music videos made entirely by humans.

    It really doesn't matter whether state-of-the-art-AI-created-music in October 2025 fully passes muster as "impossible to tell from a good human creation". This AI technology is in the amoeba stage, and will evolve millions of times faster than organic intelligences. Will we have to wait another year, ten years, fifty years, a hundred? Doesn't really matter, it's on its way.

    I remember the claims back in the '80s, when CD's started, that mere 1's and 0's would never be able to reach the quality of analog-re recorded music. Same issue with digital photography back in the '90s. Those questions are long since answered, just as the can-AI-create-like-a-human question will be sometime in the future.

  • @cyberheater said:
    And AI will only improve exponentially. A couple of years from now this will be the new norm.

    I genuinely thought that AI would be hear to help us with out science and manufacturing problems which would allow humans to concentrate on creative endeavors like music.

    Do writers stop writing just because they'll never reach the heights of Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Hemingway?

    Do composers stop composing just because they'll never be Bach, Mozart, Beethoven?

    Do singers stop singing just because they'll never be Pavarotti, Sinatra, or Celine Dion?

    If you want to do something only because you'll think you'll be better than all the other creators, then you lack proper motivation.

  • contemporary christian muzak

  • heshes
    edited October 2025

    @Squishy said:
    I like to think of artists like Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits when considering this Ai stuff. Sure, you could prompt “make a rom waits still song” now and sure it’ll get pretty close, but without his catalog or career before it, these robots never would have got there on their own. Ai is “reactionary” imo, it can mimic but it can’t start from the ground up when it comes to musical creativity like theirs. Sure, the masses “can’t tell the difference” between this pop stuff because it’s the nature of the genre, but the masses don’t even know who Tom waits is (they might know “the waltzing Matilda song” but I’m sure they couldn’t tell you the name of the song haha)

    Edit: I’m leaving the Rom Waits typo, could be a good electronic artist name 🤙

    There are no artists who get there "on their own" or "from the ground up". Everyone is a product of the milieu they live in. Ask any artist for a list of their major influences: you'll get a list. It's impossible that they could be influenced by nothing and nobody in the culture they inhabit. The only way they can create is as a participant in their culture, influenced to varying degrees by everything around them.

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  • @hes said:

    @bluegroove said:
    Soulless.

    The video does indeed make it even worse as she is completely devoid of emotion when it shows her singing.

    Yes, but in that way it's perhaps similar to many or most music videos made entirely by humans.

    It really doesn't matter whether state-of-the-art-AI-created-music in October 2025 fully passes muster as "impossible to tell from a good human creation". This AI technology is in the amoeba stage, and will evolve millions of times faster than organic intelligences. Will we have to wait another year, ten years, fifty years, a hundred? Doesn't really matter, it's on its way.

    I remember the claims back in the '80s, when CD's started, that mere 1's and 0's would never be able to reach the quality of analog-re recorded music. Same issue with digital photography back in the '90s. Those questions are long since answered, just as the can-AI-create-like-a-human question will be sometime in the future.

    I don't doubt that in the least or disagree at all. Still doesn't mean I have to like it, however.

    I've always been a fan of all things digital, but there's a big difference between digital mediums like CDs and AI generated media/art. No matter how good AI gets, it will still be an imitation of real humanity.

    When this stuff first started popping up, I was a bit intrigued, but then the novelty quickly wore off, and now it all just seems so incredibly lame to me, and honestly the fact that it's becoming more believable, higher quality, etc. just makes it feel even more hollow and phony somehow. Then when I factor in the dystopian nature of political deep fakes and that whole can of worms... It's all quite depressing to me, tbh.

  • I’m not saying it’s good, but if someone told me this was < insert #1-10 platinum selling pop artist name here > I’d believe it. They already are making music that is generated by a committee and is designed to sound like other stuff so they can be a bestseller.

  • @Squishy said:
    I like to think of artists like Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits when considering this Ai stuff. Sure, you could prompt “make a rom waits still song” now and sure it’ll get pretty close, but without his catalog or career before it, these robots never would have got there on their own. Ai is “reactionary” imo, it can mimic but it can’t start from the ground up when it comes to musical creativity like theirs. Sure, the masses “can’t tell the difference” between this pop stuff because it’s the nature of the genre, but the masses don’t even know who Tom waits is (they might know “the waltzing Matilda song” but I’m sure they couldn’t tell you the name of the song haha)

    Edit: I’m leaving the Rom Waits typo, could be a good electronic artist name 🤙

    haha, Rom Waits, classic. Up there with Captain Bee Fart.

  • edited October 2025

    @bluegroove said:

    @hes said:

    @bluegroove said:
    Soulless.

    The video does indeed make it even worse as she is completely devoid of emotion when it shows her singing.

    Yes, but in that way it's perhaps similar to many or most music videos made entirely by humans.

    It really doesn't matter whether state-of-the-art-AI-created-music in October 2025 fully passes muster as "impossible to tell from a good human creation". This AI technology is in the amoeba stage, and will evolve millions of times faster than organic intelligences. Will we have to wait another year, ten years, fifty years, a hundred? Doesn't really matter, it's on its way.

    I remember the claims back in the '80s, when CD's started, that mere 1's and 0's would never be able to reach the quality of analog-re recorded music. Same issue with digital photography back in the '90s. Those questions are long since answered, just as the can-AI-create-like-a-human question will be sometime in the future.

    I don't doubt that in the least or disagree at all. Still doesn't mean I have to like it, however.

    I've always been a fan of all things digital, but there's a big difference between digital mediums like CDs and AI generated media/art. No matter how good AI gets, it will still be an imitation of real humanity.

    When this stuff first started popping up, I was a bit intrigued, but then the novelty quickly wore off, and now it all just seems so incredibly lame to me, and honestly the fact that it's becoming more believable, higher quality, etc. just makes it feel even more hollow and phony somehow. Then when I factor in the dystopian nature of political deep fakes and that whole can of worms... It's all quite depressing to me, tbh.

    I don't think it's any less depressing to Hes. And many of us, me included, are in the 'AI novelty wore off' camp, for sure. But definitely we can see that this is going to lead to a lot less work for human artists of all kinds, and more money going to big tech companies and a few 1% type humans.

    AI does have interesting creative applications, and there are people doing good stuff with it, with their own unique stamp (I'm thinking of 'Nice Aunties' for example). But mostly what is being produced by AI is pure trash. I wish it had never been invented and I hope that governments and corporations like YouTube regulate the shit out of it!

    If we lived in a decent society with better wealth distribution, AI could be a great force for good. But that's not the kind of society we live in.

  • edited October 2025

    @hes said:

    @Squishy said:
    I like to think of artists like Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits when considering this Ai stuff. Sure, you could prompt “make a rom waits still song” now and sure it’ll get pretty close, but without his catalog or career before it, these robots never would have got there on their own. Ai is “reactionary” imo, it can mimic but it can’t start from the ground up when it comes to musical creativity like theirs. Sure, the masses “can’t tell the difference” between this pop stuff because it’s the nature of the genre, but the masses don’t even know who Tom waits is (they might know “the waltzing Matilda song” but I’m sure they couldn’t tell you the name of the song haha)

    Edit: I’m leaving the Rom Waits typo, could be a good electronic artist name 🤙

    There are no artists who get there "on their own" or "from the ground up". Everyone is a product of the milieu they live in. Ask any artist for a list of their major influences: you'll get a list. It's impossible that they could be influenced by nothing and nobody in the culture they inhabit. The only way they can create is as a participant in their culture, influenced to varying degrees by everything around them.

    Agreed. Wasn’t the point I was making tho. Sure asking Tommy who his influences are, then plug all those influences into Ai and tell it to make something new and I guarantee it wouldn’t get anywhere close to the magic of Mr Waits. And “magic” is a great word for it; the human ability to be creative and go in new directions isn’t in the skillset of Ai and is the reason I’m not intimidated by Ai music. We will always have the magic, and as long as there are still listeners looking for that magic, we good.

    @AudioGus hahaha good one!

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