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AI generated music starts to be serious
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@AudioGus
I feel like Frank Zappa would have a field day with the state we find ourselves in now 😉
This. Exactly.
And every one who claims he will recognize it as AI generated is lying to himself. Nope, you wont. Just no. This sounds absolutely same like 99% stuff playing in radio. Probably better than 70% things playing in radio 😂
Also yeah video is crap, no doubt, that was not the point, and yes, really Rick Beato is behind this project and it’s made just by prompts using different models for images, video, text and music to my knowledge (as i know for music was used Suno) - he actually made this “singer” and her first song live during stream CBS Mornings.
hehe yah I am sure he would have a few things to say to various rooms full of suits
Definitely sounds very rough in the high end, but it's for sure similar to a lot of modern chart music and is a huge advance from AI music of just a few years ago. So yes, it's impressive, it's worrying, and if they can fix those high end artefacts (that's by no means guaranteed from what I have read), then we should all be worried about the future for human musicians. There will always be human musicians but the subset of them who can make a living from it will likely shrink massively.
You put it more eloquently than I did in another thread on the topic of AI "music".
@offbrands Agreed 110%!
This seems like a good place for this …
“[David] Simon was the creator, show runner, executive producer and head writer of the HBO drama series The Wire for five seasons.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Simon
https://www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=201381
Cheers bro. 🍻
You have very strong opinions, man! Love the passion. But always keep in mind that that’s what they are: opinions. Just cause you think it’s shit doesn’t mean it IS shit, and doesn’t mean other people cant enjoy it. Devils advocate: maybe someone out there absolutely LOVES shitty artifacts in their high end haha
This seems to be a pretty widely shared opinion, and I’m not sure what it’s based on. There is no law of exponential growth. Just because a technology has improved rapidly does not mean it will continue to do so indefinitely at scale.
It’s true that AI is getting better and better, but at what exactly? AI generated music is “better,” technically. But it’s still awful (in my opinion). It’s better in the sense that it sounds better than previous iterations, but it still does nothing for me. And the same is true for AI generated writing, art, you name it. The quality of the slop is getting higher, but it remains slop.
And I’m not saying that as a luddite who hates AI. I think it would be awesome if AI could actually create beautiful art. The reward problem for human creativity has nothing to do with AI. But I am still waiting for a single thought, image or sound from AI that touches me on a human level… still waiting.
Noted!
I just did a quick skim of Apple’s “Today’s Hits” list. I’m not saying this ai song is better than the most creative pop artists of all time, but everyone on that list already sounds like they’re ai generated. Basically, if you like Lauryn Hill or The Clash or Pink Floyd (or D’Angelo RIP) well, their albums already exist, so go to town!
Now it’s time for people to be artists, not for money, but for themselves. If you have art that speaks to people, then audiences will gravitate towards it and some kind of financial reward may be there. People trying to “sound like” someone or something will have a very tough go at it because that’s what ai excels at. The “type beats” era is over.
As a graphic designer in my daily life, Ai tech is scary, but I can’t afford to stick my head in the sand as my employers (and most out there) ask that we use ai. At the same time, I know I need to offer the kind of “creativity” the tech can’t provide, and forget about aiming for the kind that it can, because that’s a losing battle.
yah I definitely don't hear much talk/hype/praise about 'prompt and ghost' AI stuff being capital A art. We live in an entertainment content consumption era and for me it is at best capable of helping produce Marvel slop a tiny bit cheaper now. Sora 2 is fun for a lark, on the level of a good bodycam video of a shoplifting Karen throwing a fit in a Walmart, but art and creativity? That is still the domain of humans. I recently started a new job and they heard I was good at using various AI tools so they thought, 'oh great, instant free results!' but I had to tell/show them that figuring out what they want is actually the time consuming part of the job, always has been, otherwise they could just do it themselves. They tried to say that they just aren't good at prompting. Like massively missing the point... but OK. yay, some rendering and brush strokes are automated but if we want to make something good that properly fulfils the requirements of the project that will take time still.
It won’t be long before AI is smarter than the smartest person on the planet. A couple of years later it will be 100s of times smarter and reengineering and optimising its own code and an incredible rate. The only limiting factor is going to be power but I have no doubt 10 years from now we will have AI that are so smart it would be like Einstein trying to talk to a dog and we’re the dog. Super intelligence is not that far away. Not even a blink in human terms.
Not cast in stone tbh. They might never properly solve the problem of hallucinations aka AI talking rubbish. Same with things like the artefacts in these songs. AI might get smarter but it might also still be too unreliable to replace the average office worker in the way that the AI companies are saying. Not to say that it won't be hugely important in many fields but it might remain fundamentally flawed.
Or AI has already hit its limits and will only marginally improve on what it's currently capable of. People are buying the hype pushed by those who have billions invested in AI and can't afford to lose. AI is definitely a transformative technology but there is zero evidence that we are on the path to artificial super intelligence. You can't simply look at how LLMs have improved and assume that it's only a matter of time before they become agentic. That's like extrapolating lightspeed travel from the moon mission.
According to some researchers, LLMs might actually be close to plateauing with the current paradigm. Idk what the situation is with stable diffusion, etc.
That being said, I think the assumption that AI will keep improving exponentially and at the same pace we’ve seen is at least as much of a leap of faith as the opposite view. Past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.
Until AI develops true emotions (as opposed to algorithmically simulated ones) it will never fully replace human creativity. It'll probably make profiting from it economically unfeasible though.
To me though, whether AI will develop emotions is irrelevant to whether it can a) trick humans into feeling that it does have emotions b) provoke all kinds of emotions in viewers / listeners of AI art / music
I don't disagree. However I think creative humans will always find new ways to express actual human creativity as they have throughout musical evolution when things become banal and overused. I don't think AI will make those kinds of jumps in the same way that humans can.
I'm not saying AI "creative" works won't overwhelm true creative works. I'm saying that I believe human creativity will always find ways to transcend. I'll go further and say that I believe humans will naturally crave that human connection and will gravitate to it ... if they ever get a chance to experience it. That last part is by no means certain, but I believe people will find a way. It's too much a part of our basic needs.
I agree with all that
I am stunned almost daily at the pace of advances in generative video, music, images. Demand and investment drives these things right now. The best individuals can do is get involved to some degree rather than get blindsided.
The best we can do is boycott AI slop (emphasis on slop, I'm not against all art that uses Ai). Consumers have the power, they just keep forgetting that.
define difference between “algorithmically simulated” and “real” emotions (i mean LLM vs. Human brain)
Irrelevant.
Creativity does not equal emotion.
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