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Delay with multiout (preferably feedback)? [SOLVED]
I have reverbs like Alteza that have multiout for the wet signal, but was wondering if there are any delay auv3s that have multi out for the feedback. I’ve been using mix busses with varying success but would love something built in to the app itself. Perhaps iceworks stuff has this feature? Thanks 🤙
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Not really what you're looking for, but Scatterbrain might be able to be configured to get part way there if put after the delay.
Jira Jira Echo, and NYEcho in miRack have separate s output per tap, and those can be routed to multi-outs.
IceGear Yukawa delay isn't multi-out. Kajita (helpfully auto corrected to Fajita five times 🙄) probably isn't either.
I can envision a few ways to do it in Drambo, I think. 😉
@wim
Thank ya kindly! I was just saying in another thread today I need to be using mirack more haha. I’ll give those delays a look. Kinda figured with the ice gear stuff as it wasn’t mentioned in the literature but they’re rather complex apps so figured I’d ask owners.
Don’t think Scatterbrain will work but I’ll fiddle just in case. And it’s not multiout, and there isn’t a row for “feedback” per say… but I always forget about Modley and will see what I can do with Modley too. The “Delay” row is basically “the feedback” right?
Which has me wondering, is this multiout even necessary. Like say you have a delay and set it 100% wet, is that not just the feedback? So if I just bus send and put the delay 100% wet on it’s own channel/strip, is that not “multi outting the feedback”? I guess there IS the initial delayed hit/trigger… my head hurts 🤪
Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought you wanted each tap to go to a different output so that you could treat each one with different FX. Like maybe a phaser on the first tap, a comb filter on the second, another delay on the third ... etc.
If all you need is the echo and the original separated, yes, a bus with the delay set to 100% wet would do it.
Yea, misunderstanding, but that IS a cool idea. And those mirack modules and Scatterbrain would be perfect for it, good calls!
Basically I was doing some experimenting and stumbled on alteza multiout which separates the shimmer part from the rest of the wet signal and my brain went DING how can I do that to a delay?! But now I’m thinking “what are you actually separating?” Modley does do it, separates the entire wet signal into sections, and the LOOP row is basically the FEEDBACK section of the delay (I think haha). But then I’m stuck in the Modley environment, having to use their selection of fx. So I guess I’m trying to figure out how to Modley with my own auv3s. The bus send 100% wet (possibly a series of them) will more or less do, so it’s just my brain being perplexed, wondering how the hell klevgrand did it haha
Edit: Alteza doesn’t actually separate the shimmer from the rest of the reverb, the multiout is for sidechaining and ducking the ENTIRE wet signal. Learning!!
As wim mentioned, a bus with a 100% wet delay and whatever auv3s you want after will get you most of the way there.
If you want to process the actual feedback loop in the delay, Drambo’s delay rack will let you insert auv3s in the path….but you gotta use drambo as the host so it can load auv3s. Just hit the plus button on the right side of the rack.
BLEASS tides is another option that is similar to Modley
Looks like Mirack has a few options there too with the delayplus modules being the most accessible imo. It has quite a few processing options that could keep you out of auv3 land if you want to do something similar in your host of choice.
I was JUST messing around with that mirack module last night while trying wims other suggestions. Will probably be my go to moving forward. Small world, thanks! (@wim that Jira Jira one is SUPER COOL, reminds me of this old desktop plugin I used to use called Echo Cat, thanks for the direction!).
I’m still a drambo newb and haven’t wrapped my head around what instrument, fx, midi racks are/what purpose they serve, but I’ll take this as an opportunity to learn more and dive headfirst into the delay one (seems most you build yourself but some like this delay are prebuilt for ya, so prolly meant as a jumping off point).
I’ve been waiting for Tides to dip with a sale, hopefully this Black Friday. It. Looks. Like. A. BEAST and will probably serve this use case well. Do you use it? Happen to know if it has any multi out functionality? For now, it’s Modley I’ll use. But yea, mentioned earlier, they give you a lot of them but I find the fx in Modley underwhelming, so it’s definitely a placeholder until I find something better (more experimenting is required but that mirack delay+ might take its place). I’ve also decided that whatever Modley is doing to separate the stages goes beyond bus sends and 100% wet settings, so recreating in something like aum isn’t achievable, would have to learn how to create apps to move further haha. All part of the fun tho!
Thank ya kindly for the ideas 🤙
I don’t have tides…yet. I’m just familiar with what it does, so I can’t speak on multibus.
You’re right, processing the feedback loop is different than a wet send since each loop re-feeds the fx. This is a long time pedal staple…for example, I have a DOD rubberneck with an insert on the feedback loop.
If you are using AUM, you can just make a delay effect using a simple full wet delay in a feedback loop….can use all the auv3s you want then.
Ch1 hosts electric, ch2 just sends to itself thru this very complex drambo patch and filter jam in the feedback loop, and ch3 lets you hear it. The ch2 fader is the feedback control.
For sure! Trying to emulate some of this pedal magic is what sent me down this road. If it can be done analog, surely it can be done digitally right? Right?! 😉 (“fuzz pedal enters the chat”)
This is interesting and basically had me slapping my forehead. Hit a brick wall loading delay auv3s and trying to separate feedback sections…when I could have just created my own delay/feedback in AUM from the ground up. Mini breakthrough, thanks man! (Especially for the added screenshot) Appreciate yours and @wim ‘s time 🤙
Cheers! Also worth noting….many ears and speakers have been sacrificed to feedback techniques. Don’t be like me. Slap a limiter on ch 2 and/or 3
Haha but of course! Just set up a quick test session:
I can now throw whatever effects I want on ch 3 and even stop sending it to ch 2 if needed. Thanks again! (Will change title to SOLVED)
I’m having a hard time finding this setup. Would you mind showing a quick setup in AUM with this? I’m completely new to mirack - this thread sparked interest. I see Jira Jira is in one of the demo setups for plugins.
OK, here's a basic example, but it requires some explaining.
miRack FX 16ch.Numbering of multi-bus outputs can be confusing. Especially here since each output in AUM is actually two mono outputs in miRack.
I think delay heads default to being off in Jira Jira Echo. You need to tap each one to enable it (LED = Green).
I hope that makes sense.
If you want it more in line with AUM’s output you can just run:
Tap Out 1 ➡️ Audio Output 1/2 (AUM 1),
Tap Out 2 ➡️ Audio Output 3/4 (AUM 2),
…
(dry) Left Out ➡️ Audio Output 13 (AUM 7),
(dry) Right Out ➡️ Audio Output 14 (AUM 7)
All that changes is the dry output is more on channel 7 in AUM.
At this point I’m not quite sure what to do with the outputs, but that’s a fun setup. Good first mirack project 👍🏼
I tried the pitch shift thang mentioned in another thread. Pretty cool. I found putting a granulator on one of repeats was a cool way of making “wait, wtf was that?!” delays. Modulation/wow/flutter are kinda my jam these days too. Get creative! 🤙