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Fight/Flight (An Anti-Immigrant-Demonization-And-Harassment-By-Anyone Rap Track)
Me on co-producer/co-vocal duties (with my collaborator Kat, combined we are Bamboo Ink the band). Used BandLab for the collab and took multitracks into AEM for additional mixing
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DEEP. Great job to the both of you.
Really enjoyed “Don’t You” as well.
Now following.
Thank you Gaubie! Appreciate the listens and your kind words 🩷
Super. Relevant. Inspiring. Depressing. Activating.
Bass riff reminds me of Rage against the machine.
Appreciate this much, @audiblevideo ! We definitely were going for that kinda Rage type of aggressive sound with the bass, so feels good to hear it landed that way
I'm not one for politics, but I really like this song and its message. Really top production quality too.
This means a lot to me. Honestly, it’s more natural for me to write on non-political topics, but every so often, I can’t help it or it feels like shirking some responsibility not to. So I’m glad to hear an opinion like yours and everyone else’s so far that makes me feel it is worth the effort.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Definitely is worth the effort. Honestly, songs like these need to be made in times like this. At least in my opinion.
Great work, and morally relevant.
What do you mean "every ICE agent will be held to account"? That sounds like a threat against Federal agents who are doing their jobs. And if this is about the woman who tried to run over the ICE agent in Minneapolis, why do you support the attempted murder of ICE agents?
@Pandan : thanks for posting. Well-done track.
@jwmmakerofmusic : re “not being one for politics”. A thought: there is a point where questions stop being questions of politics and become questions of morality, humanity and decency. We each have to figure out where that line is.
That is not what happened. If you want that discussion: take it to Other.
Yes, it is what happened. Look for the first-person video of the agent who was struck by the vehicle.
This whole thread belongs in Other. It's a political message. If there's any question about that, a quick review of the message in the music is in order.
That's true. Sometimes it's difficult for me to figure out what is politics and what is morality. But at the end of the day, I like the music and agree with what was said in the music.
A song about politics is still music. Would you say the same for Rage Against the Machine? All their music shouldn’t be considered such and just seen as political writings? Gtfo
Would you be OK with a pro-ICE song? How about a pro-immigration enforcement song? I think the usual chorus to suppress opposing political opinions here would demand it be moved to the Other/politics section immediately. There's no question this would happen, because it has happened here.
Also, it's now OK to tell other members to GTFO of here? Interesting.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with people having a political opinion. I have a problem with their political opinion not being classified as a political opinion and getting a "free pass" instead of being sent to the Other section along with the other political stuff.
If the free pass comes from the obvious political message being part of a song, I'll be posting a lot more political messages in songs and we'll see how that goes, yeah?
The easiest solution everyone can live with is to move this thread to Other.
Whether I’m ok with the song or not doesn’t mean I’m going to say it shouldn’t be posted as music. The message doesn’t change the music.
It was meant more a sentiment of I don’t think bashing music for being political is cool in a thread and saying it’s not music just doesn’t seem like it belongs in the thread. Isn’t crying out to move this the same?
If you do it as songs I don’t see an issue. Get your message out there with music and there could be a discussion
Who else is bothered by it? Is it breaking forum rules?
I do apologize for the tone. It just doesn’t make sense telling others to get out the Music thread then getting offended by being told the same.
As I mentioned, I'm not bashing it for being political (I hold political opinions few here seem to agree with), I'm saying it needs to be moved to the Other thread, where political messages belong. Doesn't seem like any mods are weighing in here, so I'm guessing it's because it's the weekend. We should all be outside getting some fresh air instead. LOL.
Moving the song out of creations doesn’t strike me as a good solution. Discussion of the meaning and events that give rise to the expression should, perhaps, be elsewhere but the song.
So you're OK with political messages, even those you may strenuously oppose, being posted in non-political threads? Somehow, I don't think Mike would agree with this as new forum policy.
Politics in music is a fine, age-old tradition. Nothing wrong with that!
If one wants to get into the political weeds in response, I’d suggest taking it to Other as Edward suggested though - you can leave a link to it here. Just don’t derail the thread with it though. And don’t forget to keep it respectful!
Hi all - just catching up here.
The song is fine where it is. Where the discussion is going is not. I'd like to leave it a that if y'all can leave it at that. If anyone want's to continue the current line of discussion/debate, please take it to a thread in the Other category. Hopefully I won't need to step in to split the discussion.
[edit] cross-posted with @Michael. I'm glad I didn't put my foot in my mouth (this time). 😂
So politically-themed songs (including political views many here seem to be hostile towards) are OK to post under "Creations & Collaborations"? OK. Appreciate the clarification, Mike.
Thank you mods for curtailing the drama! @Pandan doesn't deserve to have the thread trashed nor moved to the "Other" section. ❤️ I agree with @Michael - politics and messages in music are fine and are an age-old tradition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_and_politics
Now, I'll repeat myself here - the production quality is top-notch. Catchy beat, and a great collab between two respectable artists too.
@Pandan , which plugin(s) did you use in AEMS to get such a clean, crisp mix?
Nice track, powerful.
Messages supporting this political song are OK, based on the responses here. But only being allowed to support a political message seems dishonest. Why not allow comments critical of the message?
I look forward to seeing this tested.
Okay, @Michael @wim and @espiegel123 all have been respectful towards you. I won't. If you wish to be critical of the message, create a thread in the "OTHER" section. Or if you have any musical bone in your body, make a pro-ICE song. For Christsake, man, stop trashing this particular thread.
Hold on. This is how respectful dialogue goes. I'm not here trashing a thread. We've had many interactions over the years and you should know me better than that by now. I respect your opinion, I'd hope to get the same level of respect back.
Please just drop it guys.
Thank you, all, truly. I appreciate just the listens on their own, so all these kind comments that keep coming in give me the tingles.
I should’ve been more clear that I didn’t bring everything into AEMS to mix. Mostly I mixed my own vocals in there against everything else stereo-tracked, and used parallel processing/compression involving RoughRider3, T-De-Esser 2, Brusfri, Magic Switch, BA1-EFX Strip, Fake Take, and Yukawa (not in that particular order).
And my vocal chain varies from track to track (and just within this one, it varied depending on which take I was mixing and whether it was a rap verse or a sung one). The way and places I track my vocals are not ideal so it’s always kind of a relatively big job mixing them and I’m never happy in the end.
I record straight into my iPad mic, which wouldn’t be so bad if I recorded in treated rooms or more deadened spaces but I’m just really spontaneous (ie. lazy) with it which is why I do everything in iOS all-in-the-box in the first place. As lazy as I am though, I probably would save time on the vocal mix if I just tracked my vox better but alas.
But as far as the production mix, it was pretty much all done as we went along in BandLab using their built-in effects because that’s all you can use if you’re staying in the box inside it. I’m not sure if Kat exported anything out and back in herself mix-wise. The instrumental originated mostly from her playing a midi keyboard controlling stock BandLab sounds so a good part of it is her sound selection in that case, plus again, stock efx—‘verbs, eq’s, maybe some ear candy-ing things. And overall using BandLab’s built in-mastering, customized to taste.
I’m not the biggest fan of mixing in BandLab—and Kat knows as much—as I do prefer having access to all my AUV3’s and mix busses (which BandLab doesn’t seem to have or at least I haven’t figured it out), but the track started out as just an experiment with BandLab in the first place as we were both new to it and wanted to see how we’d get on with it. On previous songs we used Endlesss for vocal (and even some instrument) tracking and I would take all the recordings and mix/arrange on my own DAW (again AEMS, but I’ve also used Loopy Pro) and sending mixes to Kat for her feedback until we could both sign off on a final mix.
I think we’ll use whatever method makes sense going forward, so we won’t be abandoning either of those anytime soon. In fact we’ve got another track already on deck; this time it started as an already fully arranged instrumental stereo mix from Grooverider 2 and she recorded full vox for it in BandLab, so if I wanted it’d be nothing for me to export her vox and do the mix wherever I wanted to do it, and I could even continue mixing the instrumental stuff right in Grooverider 2 too if I wanted. And if necessary even bring it back into BandLab. Kat’s got a great ear, so it already sounds great without me touching it at this point. But we’ll see eventually how it goes.