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Fight/Flight (An Anti-Immigrant-Demonization-And-Harassment-By-Anyone Rap Track)
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I think he does...
I will take this moment to say something that's been on my mind to mention for some time.
We do everything we can to [edit] ban keep from banning people here these days. It has been quite some time since the last ban. That came about not because of that person's political ideology, not even because of personal attacks (which they were careful to avoid), but because the person simply could not resist injecting their social / political views into threads, turning them into pointless off-topic arguments. They were warned, they were let off the hook repeatedly. They finally took it one post too far.
I'll just leave that here...
Think you missed a “not” in there.
Thanks. Fixed.
Freudian slip? 😂
Thank you, Gus! Speaking of protest music, I’ve actually got what I call a “living mixtape” of such tracks (all free download btw) involving myself here: https://alonetone.com/bukupanda/playlists/fascism:-living-mixtape-anti (I call it a “living mixtape” because I’m continually adding to it whenever I have something new to add, and I will be adding “Fight/Flight” to it, I’m just behind on doing so) EDIT: I’ve added an even longer playlist of my protest music downthread: https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1449347/#Comment_1449347
I actually appreciate your thoughts here about if you’d engineered this. I have to say though, that the soft production was more of the direction we took more than the more uptempo and aggressive stuff from the groups you mentioned, so we were going for something other than say, “Straight Out of Compton” tone-wise.
I mean yeah there are parts that are more aggressive, primarily in the rap verses, but it’s a steady tempo all the way through so there was only so much aggressive it could get, and as much as it was about the “Fight”, it was also about the “Flight.” Though ultimately we wanted to transcend beyond just those two choices, thematically, the same way there’s a better choice between them when you’re experiencing the “fight or flight” stress response. The wind chimes is a hint towards where we think that answer lies, at least internally.
Whether that was artistically achieved and conveyed well is subjective, but yeah, tone-wise, it wasn’t aiming primarily at being something like “Killing In the Name Of” or “Fight the Power,” but I do get how portions of the track and certain lyrics call songs like those to mind, and maybe we should’ve underlined those parts more with impact via the mix, yeah.
Maybe a better song would’ve played more with tempo changes too. Either way, I think playing more with the dynamics like you said could’ve helped it more regardless.
In any case, knowing the content isn’t your cup of tea, I do appreciate your listening and giving your assessment on the mix. I’d welcome even more specific mix suggestions/techniques to specific portions of the track, as I consider myself a student of mixing who is nowhere near close to graduation as you can tell but I wouldn’t subject you to having to listen to it more than you already have. But yeah, thank you in any case.
And it’s not like there’s been a lack of asking to stick to discussing just the music here. I think you e been incredibly tolerant all things considered.
Lol I didn't even know there was an "Other" discussion forum. Great track, needed in these trying times.
Thank you ❤️. I mentioned this a few posts above, but if you missed it, here’s more of my solo stuff along the same protest lines: https://alonetone.com/bukupanda/playlists/fascism:-living-mixtape-anti
And actually, that’s more my most recent stuff. There’s a little bit of a longer playlist here that includes all those but even more that goes back a bit further time-wise: https://soundcloud.com/bukupanda/sets/the-resistance-continues .
I hope you and anyone else who decides to listen finds those works just as listenable as you’ve found “Fight/Flight.”
Nice one @Pandan - first track is dope!
Thanks! In case you missed it, I decided to share an even longer playlist upthread of protest tracks that contain everything in that mixtape plus more older stuff I was involved with too, in case you’re interested https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1449347/#Comment_1449347
I’m a fan of nearly all music and I’m a fan of anyone willing to achieve their goals by constantly working toward them. Despite the attempts to frame me as some kind of hateful person, I wish you the best and hope you use your talent to do good things in this life. Your time and your talent are precious things.
I appreciate that very much NeuM, and wish you the same!
Nice one. Situation is utterly ****ed, getting worse, but we gotta go what we can.
Solidarity.
I love the sound, love the sentiment.
https://cybernews.com/security/ice-border-patrol-agent-data-leak/
Thank you, y’all! Heartening to see the support, for this track and for immigrant communities.
Question for the mods: I was told this thread was only to comment on the music. But how can one only comment on the music when the nature of the song is completely political? And as you can see (above) nearly every recent comment is making a political statement. I don't think the splinter thread idea is working as intended.
@ecou SO great!!!
Agree
I’ll quote myself here to bring this image back.
Not every person with statements you don’t agree needs to be corrected. Leave this threat alone if it triggers you. I have had thread in the past that triggered me for personal reason and I left them alone.
Just walk away !
@NeuM Our song is political, yes. A political song has the purpose to make people reflect by putting the finger on political events and their outcome, social unfairness, human rights etc. It resonates with people who are open for reflection. You´re literally not the person we want to reach (and I´m making this personal judgement based on conversations I tried to have with you here and in the other thread. People who are refusing to answer, acknowledge or at least think about relevant contextual questions to avoid confrontations with their own biases aren´t open in my experience) and that´s totally fine for us.
We are not telling people what to do or ask them to join a party or movement for our own benefit, so I guess you´re confusing political music with propaganda music. Are you perceiving our song and any kind of conversation which questions the status quo as propaganda based on your own personal views and that´s why you continuously try to shut it down all together? It feels like it. So, objectively you´re doing exactly what you´re accusing the community and mods for.
An individual being positively outspoken through a meme about a group of people who are working hard is only political if one is differentiating the value of humans based on their personal bias and therefore isn´t agreeing with the idea of human equality and there is a name for that kind of sentiment (one which isn´t welcome in this forum...actually in most forums). There is a difference between a diverse group of people reflecting on recent events and talking about human rights, what happens politically right now and about future consequences VS someone who tries to nullify these conversations by micro framing them as political propaganda while they themselves are the ones who are carrying mentioned sentiment.
If you want to inject your personal views (and I´m saying personal because this sentiment/attitude you show has nothing to do with politics, but rather with a perceived superiority over other people based on privileges a person has without being aware of them. Or worse, being aware and feeling entitled to these privileges and feelings of superiority, disregarding human rights) PLEASE: Create something yourself and fuel it with what is bothering you and then publish it. Make yourself vulnerable, see how it sells- you said you´re a firm believer in free markets, so put it to the test. Take an actual risk, be fully yourself and take the consequences yourself if what we made and how it is perceived/supported/discussed by others is bothering you so much you can´t help but trying to shut it down.
BTW: I think most in here would be completely ok with you stating "I´m a nationalist and I don´t want any immigration or export of anything foreign, so this song doesn´t work for me" and move on, close the window by clicking on X with your mouse (made in China), eating a Burrito/some Pasta/(insert any other foreign food here) right after and then continue preparing your move back to the Empire, giving the natives their country back. But you don´t. You keep trying to take our freedom to speak about our experiences away by reframing them to serve your biases. It´s not working.
So to make it crystal clear and putting a name tag to the sentiment: What most in here are referring to and are heavily discussing and "shunning" you for (where I´m from it´s called holding someone to account but potatoes/ potatos, right?) is the micro racism/fascism you´re injecting into some of your posts. Because it is against human rights AND the forum rules. Just because you try to keep it under the radar it doesn´t mean we aren´t noticing. We see it, the mods see it and whoever is backing you up, sees it too and is just taking a backseat ride because it´s comfy that someone else is putting their neck out for their own delulu. The only one who doesn´t see it or doesn´t want to be held accountable for it is you. If you don´t want to be held accountable for something that is against the LAW and perceived as a massive no go by any human who LIKES their human rights and understands them as EQUALLY available to EVERYBODY -but prefer to keep your biases instead, maybe stop injecting? At least in here you won´t find your audience for what we germans call the brown mindset. We invented that shit, I recognize it when I smell it, dear, no matter if shy fart or big turd. I mean, it´s just an idea, we´re fine if you keep bumping this up so more people can read along, really.<3
Can someone explain the significance of the mathematically odd last gif?
Hmm. Let me see. Oh I think it was like a big thumbs up to my reference to Hamilton the musical, which the track reminds me of.
The track also reminds me of Woody Guthrie.
Speaking of which @gusgranite , I hope you know this one from the Hamilton Mixtape
Mods: Is this the comment above about the music or a political comment that belongs in the splinter thread?
Because if I were to write “I support immigration, but not illegal immigration, which is what the song defends by attacking ICE”… that’s actually a comment that is about the song, but it’s also clearly a political statement.
Or since @Katinkera directly states that the song is about “social justice” and “human rights” I guess those are both fair game to debate here since they are about the song, yeah?
Point being? You can’t have it both ways. You should be willing to accept BOTH the praise and the criticism of the politics in the song, not just the praise.
@NeuM And again, reframing and using a gif to cling to straws and spreading false information underneath. We are not attacking ICE or any actual government agency that supports the safety of citizens. We are actually not attacking anyone, that´s your language and your bias. We are using our words to disclose violations of the law. Apparently you haven´t even listened to the song, otherwise you´d know better. And that is obvious, no matter how often you´re trying to flip this to your advantage and trying to shut this down.
And there´s also the issue with you...you think social justice and human rights as "terms " and "debatable" - they are not. Only in your biased mind. I really feel sorry for you.
What does “An Anti-ICE Rap Track” mean? Please, explain. If the thread title is meaningless, then no one should be getting up in arms over criticisms about nothing.
And yes, I did provide a detailed list of what I was told were helpful suggestions on how I would’ve engineered the track. I did listen to it.
UPDATE: I see you amended your comment to include yet another personal attack on me. Adding additional thoughts is fine, the ad hominem attack is not.
Of course those terms are debatable. They’re part of the song and they’re subject to discussion in this thread now.
Ok, this is where I come clean with full disclosure that it was meant to be a provocative click-bait title relevant to current events.