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Calling Eurorack Heads
Hi Guys,
Enjoying miRack, I would like to start my journey with Eurorack hardware.
I don’t want VCO’s. Would like to use it as a happy incidents generator, sweet spots, FX, something unusual.
I love this one:
Do you know after which module in real life it is modeled?
I’m new to the game, noob at modular and knobs
I know for sure I would like to have 2 ins 2 outs, maybe some split signal to 4 or 8 audio. Maybe some complicated filter (any ideas?)
Anddd the best of the best in terms of granular, modifiers and generally
What are your favourites?
What companies to look at?
Remember, here on the other side of the glass is a noob
Comments
I don't think the Geodesics modules exist in hardware. They're software modules designed with the constraint that they should be able to be realized in hardware though.
https://www.pyer.be/geodesics.html
No VCOs?
So you only want to use your rack as an effect unit, to process sound passing through it? You need some kind of sound generator to make any sounds. Most are VCO's of some kind.
Hi @wim , I would use Waldorf XT which I love to bits and is very versatile. So yes,
an effect unit 🙂
What a loss Blackholess isn’t in hardware version. But maybe there would be 1-3 modules which could help achive such effects?
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Jesus, sorry again I quoted myself. I need to use brain more
I have some Eurorack, and I follow new releases, but not obsessively. The unreal nature of VCVRack/miRack means that modules can be crowded in a way that isn't as possible in real life (Plateau by Valley Reverb is a popular example of this). The module above appears to have been inspired by Cosmos by Black Noise. https://modulargrid.net/e/black-noise-cosmos
Eurorack gets very expensive very quickly. If you don't have a specific module or set of modules whose sound you cannot approximate by other means and must have, I would caution you against leaping in with general intentions. In particular, for granular and DSP, I would advise you (or anyone, really) to stay in iOS, where there are many more options at lower cost, and satisfy your tactile impulses with an added controller with knobs, faders, buttons, pads, whatever you are happy tweaking.
@plragde oh, you found it! Many Thanks.
I need to rethink your point of view. Right now I really would like to build some small rig, with 8-10 modules max and keep it that way. I belive I could to some extent control myself if I find the ones which tickle. For example I have XT and no need for another hardware synth. I know it might be temporary but I belive I’m full
Any other recomendations? For eurorack modules for icoming audio shaping?
I’ve had some Eurorack and still have some semi-modular/ patchable gear. If I were you, I would happily stay at miRack, especially when your interest goes to an FX rack. Where oscillators, filters, vca’s and vactrols add something due to their analog nature, a lot of FX is based on DSP. Also keep in mind there is no memory, if you want something different, you need to patch it (could also be the fun) Spare yourself the cost of a case, power supply, several modules, cables and the risk of heavy GAS.
Instead you could upgrade miRack with AU support, delve further into it and/ or have a look at Drambo if you would like to patch something yourself in another environment.
ha ha! People using logic to try to talk someone down from lusting after hardware.
How cute! 😎
Is it just me that keeps misreading this as ‘Calling Eurocrackheads’ when browsing the forum? 😀
@Bietfriek Thanks, I just think, that what you point as disadvantage might actually work for me and be advantage. I think I will love patching, spaghetti, non saving, knobs, buttons. I don’t might it being partly digital.
@plragde @Bietfriek Could you at least point me to a good forum specialized in eurorack, where I might get help for my non logic needs 👋
You won't get great results plugging a line-level synth like the Waldorf straight into eurorack. You'll want a stereo line level converter module. Something like Befaco's INamp should do the trick. Go to the site ModularGrid and filter by function for "preamp" to find other suitable possibilities. You'll also need a dual 1-to-4 mult module.
Personally I haven't used Blackhole myself in VCV, but I read the manual to get an understanding of how it works. The most simple way to get that effect would be using Make Noise Multimod to generate 8 different phase-offset CV modulation signals - it can create much more complex and varied modulation relations, too. Then you'll want an octal VCA module like the Doepfer A-130-8, or if you want more character you could go with LPGs instead of VCAs, ie. the Jolin AGOGO or Make Noise QXG. Patch the 8 CV outputs from Multimod to the 8 CV inputs on the QXG/AGOGO/A-130-8. Then you'll take left and right outputs from the Waldorf and send them into the two channels of the preamp module to amplify them to eurorack levels, and then patch the outputs from that module into the two inputs on the mult. This will give you four identical copies of the left channel and four of the right channel. Patch each one into the audio input on the octal VCA module. The VCA applies dynamic modulation from the Multimod to the audio signals.* Finally, send the output from each channel of the VCA to an 8-channel mixer. The mixer could be in the case, or it could be external, provided you turn the input gain way down to avoid clipping/avoid potentially damaging the mixer with hot eurorack-level signals. You'd probably also want 8 attenuators to control the modulation level, but they aren't strictly necessary.
If you want to go crazy, you could get a Make Noise Polymaths as a substitute or supplement to the Multimod for more varied modulation. And at that point you're one MultiWave oscillator short of having a full NUSS system!
I was skeptical at first, but this is starting to sound like a really coherent and well-planned small system. It could be a great entry into eurorack if you're ready to take the plunge. Pick up a powered 4ms Pod case, fill it with a 4ms Listen IO + Make Noise Multimod + QXG and you're golden! The QXG has built in mult functionality and channel summing, so you won't need additional modules to fulfill those functions if you go with the QXG. This is a very cute little system. These 3 modules are all that you'll need - and if you get the urge to expand, you can always get another case or a bigger case. This little system can be had for ~$900 (ballpark estimate).
Or you can forget everything I just said and get yourself something like the 4ms Metamodule and run VCV rack inside your eurorack case if you want to simplify things. Or better yet, get an audio interface for your computer and just run VCV rack there instead of in your eurorack case. That would be the financially-responsible decision!
*(An octal LPG works similar to a VCA, but it allows modulation to the signal's amplitude and simultaneously filters the signal, making the modulation effect more pronounced. I think LPGs are usually better for processing audio than VCAs. That's why I'd recommend the QXG or AGOGO over the A-130-8, but it's really a matter of taste.)
Modwiggler! That's the forum.
I’ve been on the verge of putting together a small Eurorack system for a while now, and the thing holding me back is cost vs what it adds to my workflow. I specced a reasonably priced rig using cheap Behringer clones and second hand modules, but even then it was a lot of money for sounds that I can already achieve via iOS and desktop software.
To build a system that gives me something different means buying the pricey modules, for example the new Make Noise stuff, and then suddenly the budget goes completely out of the window!
So I’m on hold for now, with maybe a potential second hand 0-Coast purchase to keep me going for a bit.
On the plus side you can resell hardware to recoup the costs, but you still need to find the cash in the first place.
I have a spot on my desktop thats been earmarked for a small mudular setup. It remains covered with pop heads and various woollen toys my wife made....it probably will for a very long time! Lol
@aaa Could I PM you? I have a few questions, because I don’t fully understand everything you wrote. Even if it’s nice and clean.
$900-1200 is achievable for me, and sounds just about right for beginning.
@oldsynthguy
I hope you will find the answers.
Modwiggler. Thank you
@Mateusz yes feel free to PM, I'm happy to help. I know it can be confusing when reading about this without having hands-on experience, but you'll get the hang of it quickly once you get some real hands-on time patching.
Also check out YouTube channels like DivKid and MylarMelodies for some inspiration and reviews.