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Using humor on a text based forum

McDMcD
in Other

Text often requires a human voice to disclose the intent of the writer. Humor read at face value will trigger some very severe reactions. Without explanation it typically leads to someone being driven from the forum or electing to just find other pursuits.

Not requesting clarification from an author when something seems off is a bad idea before writing up an indictment of the original “offensive text”. Even then some will just shut down dialogue thinking they are now being unfairly attacked for defending social norms… go figure.

I’m reminded of the “N Word” meltdown which did NOT have humor at the source of the confusion but an assumed personal attack when one was NOT intended, IMHO.

Or the recent dust up over censorship on the forum that drove a handful of very active members to back off to a minimal degree of participation.

Comments

  • PaulieworldPaulieworld

    We may just agree to disagree on many topics. However, I am willing to listen to all opinions. Let's just sit down and talk. We may find some common ground. Maybe not. Let's meet at TGIF and talk. I'll pop for beer and pizza. They have some really good crispy crust pizza. The beer... not so much.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @McD: “I was only kidding.” Is, in my opinion, too often used as an after-the-fact cop out —a way to deflect in ill-advised comment. In a serious conversation about serious issues, there is an onus on the writer to make their intention clear. When the clarification comes well after the fact and after combative defenses of the comment rather than some form of “my bad, that was a stupid thing to say”, it can be hard to know how sincere the joke-defense was.

  • McDMcD

    @espiegel123 said:
    @McD: “I was only kidding.” Is, in my opinion, too often used as an after-the-fact cop out —a way to deflect in ill-advised comment. In a serious conversation about serious issues, there is an onus on the writer to make their intention clear. When the clarification comes well after the fact and after combative defenses of the comment rather than some form of “my bad, that was a stupid thing to say”, it can be hard to know how sincere the joke-defense was.

    I’m sure there are cases of that happening. I think many humor focused creatives put the joke out there and the audience lines up with someone that makes them laugh or exposes the hypocracy of a political foe. Jerry Seinfeld won’t make jokes about Gaza because he knows his audience finds his humor to be non-political…but he will defend Israel on occasion but only when he’s “not kidding”.

  • AlexYAlexY
    edited January 25

    You have to consider the context surrounding the conversation:

    • people were talking about the Epstein files
    • well known MAGA figures like Megyn Kelly have for some absurd reason decided to split hairs about whether Epstein’s predilection for underage girls is pedophilia
    • and then with no other context other than that, a person who has dropped some clear MAGA talking points (with no indication of satire) drops a post like this:

    “ Rich men in positions of power like to bang young girls. What’s so hard to understand about that? I would, too. Even Jimmy Carter said that he had lust in his heart. I believe that he was a decent and honorable man. I voted for him. Bill Clinton liked young girls, too. I voted for him. When he was president, the economy was pretty good. I was making good money and had no complaints. Whatever he did behind the Oval Office didn’t affect my paycheck. The Epstein files are just a distraction. Wake up, dummy!”

    …and then doubles down without clarifying that they weren’t serious until an admin intervenes. if a statement is indistinguishable from the position it claims to mock, it ceases to function as satire and becomes, functionally, the position itself.

    However, I believe Paulie when he says it was an attempt at satire, even though, to me, it fails as such because Ms. Lewinsky was a consenting adult, regardless of what one thinks of the age and power dynamics.

    But more importantly perhaps in the context of our conflict here, the reluctance to clarify until he was told to undermines Paulie’s repeated declaration of his desire to find common ground and ‘solutions’.

    In some other comment I believe that Paulie stated said that his post on finding solutions to immigration was also ‘satire’. I was engaging earnestly, but if none of what he’s posting is serious, why should anyone engage seriously or at all? If someone’s contributions are a mix of earnestness and satire with no discernible boundary, it is logically impossible for others to engage earnestly.

    —-

    And, Paulie, I have comparatively few but good interactions elsewhere on this forum with you, but on these particular topics, it’s been difficult to assume good faith as the conversation has evolved, especially in light of the revelation that some if not most of it has been satirical. I honestly have very little idea of where you stand on many of the moral issues that have been brought up, such as racial profiling, etc.

  • McDMcD

    OK… I’m caught up now.

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