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Yeah - pretty dull. Except for the bit about wanting to "bang young girls".
Where is that now..? Can't seem to find it...?
Let’s hear your music. I have 361 tracks on SoundCloud. All original, and composed by me, in my spare time, sitting on my patio in my comfy chair. Show me what you got!
Please don’t discuss music here right in the middle of a gunfight… shoot somebody. (Where is my humor font, Lord).
You sound very desperate to change the subject. Sorry, no deal.
Your "banging young girls" comment has vanished. A case of "wait until the heat dies down and then quietly delete it"?
It’s still there. It’s on page 6 of that other post. The one where the author used UPPERCASE LETTERS in the title to show how serious he was. It still has my warning to the less astute readers who need everything spelled out.
LOL! Literally. I showed it to my wife. She rolled her eyes and said… boys will be boys.
My mistake - it is still there. But now this has been added:
"Warning! The thoughts expressed below are a satirical parody, based on my perception of the prevailing attitudes during the Clinton administration. You may not agree, and it may trigger strong reactions. Viewer discretion is advised."
WTF?
A "satirical parody"?
As discussed earlier ICE regularly violates the law and treats people (including law-abiding citizens) inhumanely
A shameful, hateful regime
My original comment was made on Jan. 17. A few days later I received a polite request from our moderator indicating that some members might take offense to it. He asked me to qualify my statement. I did that on Jan. 23. In hindsight, I think it was a good call on his part, and made my original comment more meaningful.
Satire - The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
Parody - A creative work—such as literature, music, film, or art—that imitates another, often well-known, work or genre in an exaggerated or comedic fashion to mock, critique, or comment on it.
What the far left fails to recognize is that people outside of their circle have different opinions. In 2024, those people made their opinions known by electing Donald Trump. Since then, the far left has become increasingly hysterical, to the point of becoming violent in public. Instead of presenting new ideas and engaging in civilized debate, all I hear is "Resist, Resist", without any new policies or ideas.
I don't like to refer to the far left as Democrats. At one time, being a liberal Democrat was something to be proud of. I was a liberal Democrat in the past. Something happened to my party over the years, and I had to abandon it. The same thing can be said of the far right. So-called Republicans got us into needless wars where people died, and billions of taxpayer dollars were spent with no tangible benefits. However, it did make a few Republicans very rich at my expense.
I would suggest that the Democrats take back their party from far left radicals. Find a charismatic candidate that can connect to average people with a few good, solid ideas. It wouldn't take much, just 2 or 3 simple, easily understood policies that benefit everybody. Then, if elected, follow through on those promises. Ms. Harris didn't offer any policy except "I'm not Trump".
I don't view Trump as a Republican. He was actually thought of as a Democrat for decades. I think of him as a disrupter to both sides. He offered a few simple ideas that the majority agreed with and he was elected. After his election, he followed through on those promises.
The so-called Democrats had the opportunity and the VOTES to change immigration law, but they did nothing. They left Trump with a PR nightmare when he enforced those laws that were never changed. It was all political.
If anyone on the far left has any explanation, I am willing to listen. Posting images like the ones above don't do anything to turn down the heat. They don't change anybody's mind or cause them to think differently. The level of hatred has increased to the point where I think a new civil was is a possibility. The difference between now and then is that we don't have a Mason-Dixon line to delineate between sides. There are no blue or gray uniforms to tell who is who. It will turn into bloody chaos. Think of Mad Max.
The thing for the far left to keep in mind is that their "soldiers" are undisciplined, unwilling to talk, and act impulsively without thinking of consequences. They will never take orders from anyone. When things get really violent, they will be put down quickly. Unfortunately, by that time there will be no law and order, and all the lawyers in the world won't be able to help. Legal paper will not stop a bullet.
I am neither a Republican or Democrat. I am standing on the outside looking in. What I see is very scary.
Wake up, people on both sides. You are all being played.
If anybody out there actually read this far, I would like to hear from you. I'm not holding my breath.
Cue the crickets...
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”
Desmond Tutu
@Paulieworld wrote: “I would like to hear from you. I'm not holding my breath….Cue the crickets...”
Many good faith attempts have been made in this thread to address posts you have made. None have received specific considered good-faith responses to the specific points raised.
p.s. I don’t expect a considered response. Just explaining so that if someone starts reading here, they will know why he might not got thoughtful replies.
@espiegel123 I have repeatedly asked why millions of illegal immigrants were allowed to enter, bypassing the legal process. I have also asked why the immigration laws were never changed if the intent was to provide people with a better life. Nobody here has provided an explanation. Nothing. Why don't you be the first?
If you want peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. - Desmond TuTu
I’m sad to say it but this forum has become a bit of a shitshow IMO. Music communities, even more tech based ones like this, used to be natural gatherings for creatives, nerds and freaks. Open and welcoming to minorities. A place for the underground. International. Punk, folk, reggae, hip hop, techno, ambient. With protest and fighting injustice not always discussed but always there in the background. And we all know that makes for great music… A bit daft, sure. Idealistic, you bet. But still a haven to let your freak flag fly.
Now it feels like a watering hole for a small number of US-based rightwing commentators who have an outsized voice. It is so jarring to the vibe of what a music community used to represent.
God I miss hanging out at the record stores, the clubs and the festivals. These nasty opinions would have been quashed in seconds and laughed out the door. It’s too bad.
Participation in the Other category is voluntary. The Loopy Pro forum is great… other is the shitshow. Just avoid our little debate society/bar fights.
Music communities, even more tech based ones like this, used to be natural gatherings for creatives, nerds and freaks. Open and welcoming to minorities. A place for the underground. International. Punk, folk, reggae, hip hop, techno, ambient. With protest and fighting injustice not always discussed but always there in the background. And we all know that makes for great music… A bit daft, sure. Idealistic, you bet. But still a haven to let your freak flag fly.
Please feel free to quash anyone you would like to drive from the conversation or just read about the music stuff. There are no asshat rules enforced there.
And there are stats that indicate millions were deported. Obama and Biden deported millions.
I hope you look into that aspect of the immigration debate. Because not known ng simple facts make understanding harder.
Now Trump change the game by splitting up immigrants families, so breaking into the US became less safe. That’s a policy that changed the incoming stats. Cruel but effective. Hitler probably didn’t want to kill Jews in mass but no one would accept them… there’s a clue where we end up if we put millions into centers. If will be cheaper to reduce their numbers.
Start with Newt Gingrich and you will learn how the 2 party system can be gamed to make compromise impossible. Come back after you do that simple research into how laws are made and passed.
The Big Beautiful Bill has $150B for creating a Federal Police Force called ICE and the centers to hold enemies of the state. The enemies are currently being labeled “domestic terrorists” and ICE has the power and license to decide if you are one. Courts and due process are not required… despite a law detailed in the 4th amendment (I hope I got that right).
To become a Park Ranger now you must include your social networking and create a list of things you like about Trump’s administration. Experience with nature not so important as loyalty.
Anyway… when people say wake up they can mean do the work of understanding how the government works and how you can influence it.
Protest can be a non-violent way to change things. But as we are learning… it can also be dangerous. Not for the timid or risk averse.
It's not just Other. Its gets into so many threads in its subtle way. My point is its a shame we have to even have this constant undercurrent here. There's so much rightwing shit online in other spaces, on social media and YouTube algorithms etc. I'm just pining for the creative haven that I feel music communities including the old Audiobus forum used to be, I guess. Rightwingers used to pop up every now and again sure but they got themselves banned pretty quickly. Laughed out the door like I said. Now it feels like part of the fabric.
Whatever, it probably says more about my state of mind rather than anyone else's.
@McD wrote: “Hitler probably didn’t want to kill Jews in mass but no one would accept them…”
WTF!
Poor Hitler. Look at what the world made him do.
[previous paragraph is sarcasm — as I can’t believe you wrote those words. You don’t think up then execute a mass extermination machinery without wanting to do it.]
Hitler wrote of wanting to exterminate Jews before he had any political power and made a speech in January 1939 (well before WWIi started in September) expressing the desire to exterminate all Jews in Europe.
I think given the dark place where we find the country (and honestly much of Europe), it is unavoidable.
There are a significant percentage of people in favor of authoritarianism. Creativity, sadly, doesn’t make one impervious to prejudice and blind nationalism.
It is better to be aware and discuss rather pretend it’s not happening, imo.
The discussions here make me aware of how fragile the state of things is—and how MAGA has left no community untouched by its ambitions.
A perfect example of Godwin’s law. Look it up, gentle reader.
I’m sure Stephen Miller doesn’t want to kill millions of non-whites but he will hit that critical point where supporting them in camps ( note my subtle change from centers) when no other nation wants to take them in.
So… history doesn’t repeat itself but it does rhyme.
Now forget I mentioned that particular megalomaniacal sociopath and consider the current circumstance. There is a reason Trump had a volume of Hitler’s speeches on his nightstand. And people think he never read a book from end to end. I’ll wager he used it as a reference to pull ideas from… “the press is the enemy of the people”.
Got any examples outside of this section since the last blow up? I must have missed them. I'm asking sincerely. I read a lot of posts, but not all of them.
Please do flag anything you feel is breaching the rules. If you feel a flag is too extreme, PM me any time.
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Ah. Now you’re digging up the really old propaganda.
Ivana (not Ivanka) Trump made a statement during her divorce proceedings to her lawyer. It was not part of any legal proceedings, sworn testimony or anything else rising to that level. Consider it no more than a political smear, which somehow is treated as fact these days. Think more critically on this one. They were getting divorced.
Trump himself said that he had Mein Kampf in a published interview. He also as a history of saying things indicating he admired Hitler’s skills as a leader.
Wow… total derail simply by mentioning Hitler. It is very hard to discuss Trump’s 2nd term without mentioning the parallels.
Did you know that Hitler’s great-great-great-grandson by “Ulma Stockhausen” edited the drafts of “The Art of the Deal”.
At least that’s what my neighbor told me. I think he added an extra “great” too…
Since you proclaim to be an avid reader, read up on Miller's history, he absolutely wants to kill millions of minorities.
I wish I could invent a time machine so I could send Miller and his wife, how is browner than me, to 1930s Germany so that his idol, Goebbels, can give him a nice welcome.
Here’s a little fact: Stephen Miller wants ICE to find 3,000 immigrants per day.
365 x 3000 =1,095,000 immigrants per year.
He’s probably holding back waiting for the average citizen to get on board with the program.
The only way to hit 10 million in Trump’s 2nd term they will need us to start turning in our neighbors.
Trump has roughly 365 x 3 =1,095 days left.
10,000,000 / 1095 = 9,132.42 immigrants per day on average. He’s going to need our help to find people faster
And more efficiently.
Or we could, change the balance of power in the House and Senate and impeach Trump and indict them for their
Crimes. We really tried to do that after his first term in office but we hit processing delays in the courts. Go figure.
We won’t make that mistake again. I suspect.
Or civilly war will break out and we can solve the disagreement with a 2nd Amendment solution like we did in 1861.
I’m sure there are a few other scenarios that folks can propose.
Those numbers are completely off.
There were already roughly 22 million illegal aliens in the US before either Trump or Biden were in office (per a Yale study: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates ) and Biden's people let in another 10-13 million (since Biden's administration did not record the actual numbers of people being allowed in illegally at the border and by plane and the number of "gotaways", it's really anyone's guess what the real numbers are.
In other words, they'd have to be deporting possibly 30,000+ people daily to send back every illegal alien and visa overstay in the US today.
This has nothing to do with legal migrants, in other words, those who followed the laws.
According to best estimates, number of deportations range widely, anywhere between 1/2 million to 3 million so far in Trump's first year.
The Yale study is interesting because —if it is accurate—it largely undermines the moral panic of the people that hate undocumented immigration so much. The authors point out that if the number of undocumented immigrants is as high as they claim: the crime rate among them is far less than the crime rate of legal residents.
The people that are so horrified by the number of undocumented immigrants are afraid of numbers that are not borne out of some generally accepted rational analysis.
The U.S. economy was not been damaged by their presence and a strong case can be made that their presence has been valuable.
You don't need to explain. I know what satire and parody are.
I just don't believe your comment was either of them.