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Immigration & I.C.E. - A call for proposals

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  • A simple story of simple men:

  • Reliable sources provide the following on ICE’s overall workforce (which includes frontline agents, support staff, and other roles), as this is the closest available proxy:

    • From recent analyses (e.g., Zippia career data aggregation and consistent secondary reports): Approximately 55-59% White (non-Hispanic or Latino), 18-19% Hispanic or Latino, 15% Black or African American, ~4% Asian, with smaller percentages for other groups (e.g., Native American, Pacific Islander, or unknown).

    • Older reports (e.g., from 2017-2020 Univision data and academic studies) cited higher Hispanic/Latino representation among agents specifically, around 24-30%, with notes that Latinos are overrepresented in operational/enforcement roles compared to the overall federal workforce (where Hispanics are ~9%). These figures suggested Latinos outnumbered Black agents roughly 2:1 and Asian agents 4:1, while Whites remained the largest group (outnumbering Latinos ~3:1 in some estimates).

    • DHS department-wide demographics (as of mid-2025) show ~52% White (non-Hispanic), ~23% Hispanic or Latino, with the rest distributed among Black (~14-15% department-wide), Asian, and others—but this covers all DHS components (CBP, TSA, etc.), not ICE alone.

  • Holy Red Herring, Batman!

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    lol, "Tyler Durden". someone who won't even put their real name in an article sure is the epitome of credibility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

    Some people sure love their false dilemmas though. I guess there is no middle ground between open borders and draconian enforcement.

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  • Holy Strawman, Batman!

    Evaluating the reliability of an anonymous source is not an ad hominem, lol, it’s basic epistemology.

    My actual point:

    “Anonymous authorship weakens credibility.”

    What someone pretended I said:

    “The argument is false because the author has a bad character.”

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  • Nice...we’ve got enough straw here to feed a whole herd of MAGAts.

    Me: Points out the "article"’s false dilemma (actual refutation of the argument). Also notes that the author hides behind an alias, which raises a credibility issue.

    Someone else: Ignores both points and attacks a position I never argued, lol.

  • The best thing about Trump’s presidency? The fact that he can drive his detractors absolutely crazy by saying something they don’t like. It’s quite a show.

  • Zerohedge is generally not considered a credible information source.

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    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article293306644.html#storylink=cpy

    “All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have . . . Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.” - Trumpy The Clown

    Har-dee-har-har-har so entertaining to see corruption so clearly.

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    @NeuM said:
    The best thing about Trump’s presidency? The fact that he can drive his detractors absolutely crazy by saying something they don’t like. It’s quite a show.

    Yeah - that's what you really want from a President. It really helps the country move forward. <<<<--- sarcasm.

    By November he will have had nearly 2 years to enact his agenda. Let's see how it goes at the polls. Once the Reps decide that Trump is an electoral liability they will dump him quick fast.

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  • The so called article is cherry picking sound bites to make a non existent strawman argument. The politicians mentioned have not indicated a significant change in position. The opposition to DHS and ICE is due to their enforcement practices under this admin and the lack of due process.

    The “article” doesn’t need to explicitly use the phrases “open borders” and “draconian enforcement “ for the reader to infer that this is what “Tyler Durden” likely means when he is positioning the cherry picked quotes made when DHS and ICE weren’t openly defying courts and due process against the opposition to DHS and ICE’s approach now.

    The whole page is little more than a bad faith opinion piece, which along with the laughable adoption of the nom de plume “Tyler Durden” greatly undermines the credibility of whoever wrote it. I’ll tell you why too:

    By hiding themselves, the author avoids the professional consequences of providing misleading or incomplete data. They also use the selected soundbites to support the supposed 'shifts' in position while intentionally omitting the legislative context and the specific due-process violations in Minneapolis that triggered the current opposition.

    That’s not journalism; it is an ideological exercise in cherry-picking designed to manufacture a contradiction where none exists.

  • FWIW, that site is cited by numerous as being aligned with Russian propaganda.

    See:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/156788/zero-hedge-russian-trojan-horse

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  • @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    The best thing about Trump’s presidency? The fact that he can drive his detractors absolutely crazy by saying something they don’t like. It’s quite a show.

    Yeah - that's what you really want from a President. It really helps the country move forward.

    Ah leadership our sons can be proud of! Lets joke about sexual assault, soldier deaths, immigrants of the wrong colour... Har har har. What a great show. Unreal...

  • @mcmillanjonmusic said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    FWIW, that site is cited by numerous as being aligned with Russian propaganda.

    See:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/156788/zero-hedge-russian-trojan-horse

    Hmmm…disturbing if true. Although there wasn’t any hard evidence of being actual Russian propaganda (bought and paid for). I may find another “credible” source to cross check them, if there is one.

    There seem to be quite a few articles that say the same thing, and they don’t all trace back to the New Republic article.

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  • https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023#

    Maybe the racist fuckheads should stop blaming immigrants and realize that it's the bourgeoisie that is stealing their bread crumbs and not immigrants, who are just trying to survive just like everyone else.

  • @gusgranite said:

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    The best thing about Trump’s presidency? The fact that he can drive his detractors absolutely crazy by saying something they don’t like. It’s quite a show.

    Yeah - that's what you really want from a President. It really helps the country move forward.

    Ah leadership our sons can be proud of! Lets joke about sexual assault, soldier deaths, immigrants of the wrong colour... Har har har. What a great show. Unreal...

    I just re-read my comment and I'm going to add a "sarcasm note"... someone might read it and think I was serious.

  • @maxxpower18 said:
    https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023#

    Maybe the racist fuckheads should stop blaming immigrants and realize that it's the bourgeoisie that is stealing their bread crumbs and not immigrants, who are just trying to survive just like everyone else.

    More illegal aliens were deported during the Obama administration than the Trump administration (so far). Was Obama a racist?

  • @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    The best thing about Trump’s presidency? The fact that he can drive his detractors absolutely crazy by saying something they don’t like. It’s quite a show.

    Yeah - that's what you really want from a President. It really helps the country move forward. <<<<--- sarcasm.

    By November he will have had nearly 2 years to enact his agenda. Let's see how it goes at the polls. Once the Reps decide that Trump is an electoral liability they will dump him quick fast.

    Trump won both the Electoral College and the “popular vote”, yet both Republicans and Democrats in Congress refuse to deliver on the Trump agenda. He has far, far more support than anyone in Congress. In case it wasn’t clear the first time he was elected, he is popular and Republicans in general are not.

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    Racism is not determined by the number of people deported. The vile words (and lies) that Trump and Vance and their cronies use to speak about non-white immigrants makes their racism clear as does the inhumane way that they are enforcing their policies.

    I was not a fan of Obama’s handling of immigration. Trump II’s approach to immigration enforcement is far more draconian and unlike anything seen in modern times in the U.S.

  • @NeuM said:
    Trump won both the Electoral College and the “popular vote”, yet both Republicans and Democrats in Congress refuse to deliver on the Trump agenda. He has far, far more support than anyone in Congress.

    And yet...

    • Trump’s approval rating stands at 37%, down from 40% in the fall.

    • By more than two-to-one, Americans say the administration’s actions have been worse than they expected (50%) rather than better (21%).

    • Only about a quarter of Americans today (27%) say they support all or most of Trump’s policies and plans, down from 35% when he returned to office last year. That change has come entirely among Republicans.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/01/29/confidence-in-trump-dips-and-fewer-now-say-they-support-his-policies-and-plans/

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    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Trump won both the Electoral College and the “popular vote”, yet both Republicans and Democrats in Congress refuse to deliver on the Trump agenda. He has far, far more support than anyone in Congress.

    And yet...

    • Trump’s approval rating stands at 37%, down from 40% in the fall.

    • By more than two-to-one, Americans say the administration’s actions have been worse than they expected (50%) rather than better (21%).

    • Only about a quarter of Americans today (27%) say they support all or most of Trump’s policies and plans, down from 35% when he returned to office last year. That change has come entirely among Republicans.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2026/01/29/confidence-in-trump-dips-and-fewer-now-say-they-support-his-policies-and-plans/

    Trump was elected, based in large part, on his promise to deport illegal aliens. He's not going to stop doing that.

    And do you know what the approval rating is for members of Congress? LOL. It's lower.

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