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What do I do?

Two piano samples and one pad set to run asynchronously in Koala.

I sometimes wonder how much I am the “composer” of such a piece.🙂

I’m always interested to hear what you think.

Comments

  • Beautiful work as always, Yvonne. ❤️

    And about how much you are the composer, well, how much of the composer is Brian Eno when he does his own Frippertronics Ambient works? ;) He's definitely one of the most prominent figures of Ambient, yet does the same as us (albeit he started with analog tape looping rather than virtual).

    Koala really is the ultimate asynchronous Frippertronics environment on iOS, not simply just an amazing sampler for making beats. Hell, I've even done drone work in Koala within AUM, making use of the crossfade loop points you helped point out to me a while ago. I plan to continue with drone work in Koala as well, especially on Drone Day in late May.

    Yes, I know music theory like the back of my hand, and from my observations (which could be faulty), one doesn't necessarily need the same vast amounts of knowledge of music theory to make Ambient. However, Ambient is one of the most satisfying genres to compose in. Whether that's Frippertronics, Drone, Noise, Dark Ambient ala David Lynch, etc.

    I think I'm going somewhere with this. Right, the point is - Ambient composers are composers. We are the composers of Ambient, Yvonne. And in your case, you make the most beautiful Ambient I've heard in this forum.

    Going to tag @Pierre118 to have a listen.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic Thanks, Jim. I already listened/viewed and commented on Youtube. But......it's a very beautiful track, Yvonne.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic thank you so very much for your thoughtful response. It means a lot to me.🙂

    Eno once compared his method to that of a gardener, planting seeds and watching what happens.

    I like this idea - the serendipity of giving up control and seeing what grows.

    Creating a system that evolves over time.

    I feel like I’m the composer until the point that I surrender to chance.

    I like being surprised.

  • @Pierre118 thank you once again!🙂

  • @rottencat said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic thank you so very much for your thoughtful response. It means a lot to me.🙂

    Of course, Yvonne. :) Us Ambient creators definitely should help one another out once in a while, whether with teaching each other techniques, or giving inspo, or even just building one another up.

    "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams." -O'Shaughnessy's "Ode" (Where do you think I get the "maker of music" monicker from? ;) )

    Eno once compared his method to that of a gardener, planting seeds and watching what happens.

    I like this idea - the serendipity of giving up control and seeing what grows.

    Creating a system that evolves over time.

    I feel like I’m the composer until the point that I surrender to chance.

    I like being surprised.

    I'm the same way when it comes to composing Ambient music. :) Creating a system that evolves over time, surrender to chance, etc. Koala makes that so simple and easy.

    Our man Brian himself! Thanks for finding this. :) Will prove inspirational for me today once I watch it.


    Yesterday, I planned to make Ambient in GR-II, and tried, and failed. Then @offbrands posted a helpful video by our own @thesoundtestroom which demystified a lot of things.

    Of course this deals with pads, which can easily translate into drones (just a single-note pad popped down a few more octaves really, lol). I also legit forgot GR-II has chance-based notes in its piano roll, much like Koala has. So I'll be giving GR-II another go soon. :)

    All the best to you Yvonne. :)

  • @rottencat said:
    I feel like I’m the composer until the point that I surrender to chance.
    I like being surprised.

    This is a compositional technique : Aleatoric Music. So you are still the composer.
    Being surprised is the whole game for me.

  • @MrStochastic said:

    @rottencat said:
    I feel like I’m the composer until the point that I surrender to chance.
    I like being surprised.

    This is a compositional technique : Aleatoric Music. So you are still the composer.
    Being surprised is the whole game for me.

    Surprise is my motivation every time.

    Well, that and the groupies…🙂

  • @rottencat said:
    Well, that and the groupies…🙂

    Consider me one.
    Your tracks never disappoint. I really like this one. 👍🏼

  • @wim said:

    @rottencat said:
    Well, that and the groupies…🙂

    Consider me one.
    Your tracks never disappoint. I really like this one. 👍🏼

    I thank you very kindly @wim!

  • I think it was McD that a while ago used the term Curator for some of the work that we do here, with music rather than physical works of art…
    Whatever the terminology, another lovely piece of music 👌

  • Thanks @GeoTony!

    Curator - I like that!🙂

  • It didn’t exist until you created it, therefore you are the composer. I understand what you are saying, though. I have an idea that you might want to try, that will let you feel like you are more in control of the outcome. Do you have a “traditional” DAW like Cubasis or Logic? If not, it is a good thing to consider. Amortize the cost over a few years and it’s insignificant. Think of it as dollar cost averaging.

    Rather than create a single 4 minute piece, create 4 pieces, each a minute in length. The first part would contain samples A and B. The second part would contain samples B and C, and so on. Each part would contain something from the previous and would give a feeling of continuity. Now load those into tracks 1 through 4 in your DAW. Part 1 starts on track 1 at 0:00 and runs to 1:00. Part 2 starts at 1:00 on track 2 and runs to 2:00, and so on until you have a complete sequence of all 4 parts. You could add some echo to each track so the parts blend together without a hard break between parts. At this point you could consider it to be “done”, or… you could “kick it up a notch”.

    If you are feeling adventurous, you could create 4 blank MIDI tracks, each 1 minute long, and put them on tracks 5-8, directly below the 4 original sampled tracks. Now, just start punching in some random MIDI notes into those tracks. Once you have that, you can select 4 different synth apps and assign them to each track… and press Play. I guarantee you will hear things you never dreamed of. Of course, it won’t all be great. Then you go back into those MIDI tracks and start “tweaking”.

    That’s the point where you will spend delightful, relaxing hours getting it “just right”. I often use this approach and it gives me hours of relaxing fun sitting in my comfy chair, with a cool refreshing adult beverage.

    When you are done, you can say… I did that!

    I have a lot more ideas, but dinner is ready. Beef Stroganoff! Her own special recipe. I am a lucky guy.

  • Curator is a great term - you are certainly a curator of some very good music. This piece is very lovely!

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