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Initiating a loop while playing with a drummer
There is something I have been wondering about for a while, if the drummer would need a headphone to follow a metronome for me to be able to loop a piece of a song to play a solo over.
I dont want to force drummerman to play to a click the whole song just for my solo, is there a way about it? Auto tempo detection? What are your experiencec with it?
If I use a midi pedal can I activate that 4 beats before the solo, or does it give what I record a beat?
Is this perhaps when I use loopy without Tempo sync?
What do you think?
What boxes should I tick in Loopy?
Im toying with the idea to give the drummer a midi click pedal for setting tempo 4 beats before the solo, maybe that is just more work then needed.
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I don't think I understand. If you just want to play a solo, why not just play it? Do you mean that you want to record the solo and then loop it back? Can you describe the use case more fully?
Going from the thread title rather than the description in the post "Initiating a loop ...", it sounds as though you have a solo already recorded and you want to launch the clip so that it's in time with the drummer? Or?
I have some thoughts, but need more context to sift through them.
If you’re already playing in time with the loop I’m not sure what the problem is. A good drummer should be able to keep in time with something whether it’s played live or looped at the same tempo as what is already being played live.
Let me clarify,
First when I’m playing I’m not using the Looper, I’m just playing Rhythm guitar with a drummer.
At some stage in the song I want to record some bars of rhythm guitar so I can switch to playing solo, and have the first guitar in the back.
I don’t want drummerman to play to a click the whole song.
Maybe its more mess with tempo and I should just record a free loop without tempo. I’m thinking about what could make the better start and end point. At one point in the song we could practice tha Now its about capturing a good take.
I am wondering if it would work with a autodetect and to “set tempo from the previous 4 beats”. Tempo detect 4 beats before the recording + a follow action to start recording?
It’s something I want to build on for later so I can add synth + effects. Imagine that me and the drummer own the tempo together and we can freeze it as some point instead of one being in charge. It could be done with a tap pedal from his part, or maybe just with Loopy?
Thanks for asking about it
I've tried this and had no success. I think the only way it will work is with a click track or loop output straight into the ears of the drummer. I seems pretty normal for the drummer to be the time keeper so that may be why it's hard to get a drummer to use the guitar as the time keeper. Either way, a good clear signal for the drummer to hear is essential.
I’m still not sure I understand. But, if there are no loops in the project, then the first loop you record can automatically detect the loop and the tempo. This can be even more accurate if you know the number of bars and the approximate tempo in advance. If you're playing to the drummer already, your first loop is likely to come out pretty darn close to what they're playing. From there, I assume, your first loop is going to be audible to the drummer, so there shouldn't be any issue with keeping the drum in time with it.
It would get screwed up if you stop playing the original loop because the drummer will inevitably drift. In that case maybe you could having the drummer use an an iPhone or iPad to play the click track. Send midi notes over to it over Bluetooth (if you trust it at a venue) to trigger a metronome sound. (You could also use Ableton Link, but that would require WiFi, which would be more problematic than Bluetooth).
I'm probably over simplifying because I don't any overwhelming challenges with this so far.
I did interact with someone once who used FAC Envolver to hit up the tap tempo on their iPad from the drummer's stick count-in. I can't say how successful they ultimately were though.
This isn’t a technical answer, but check out Angine de Poitrine for two musicians doing exactly this.
The drummer plays some tight af breakbeats, and in some odd time signatures. The other musician has a double-neck guitar/bass, and they alternate between looping one and playing the other.
It’s also super groovy.
I were just thinking yesterday whilst live synth tweaking. Sometimes you need another synth tweaker. Could be cool, with dj style monitoring. When someone else has a suitable patch, they might have the option to mix patches with another user or decide to cut off previous synth tweaker, for a patch to overide. Some drums also. Nothing rehearsed. Just casual. The overide just gets you out of a sort of song going nowhere but a song might be made.
@_smund : you could set up tap tempo and a widget to start the metronome and clock so that you and the drummer can have a click to follow when you need it. You could also just let loopy calculate the tempo from your first loop and have the metronome on do that the drummer can follow the click.
A link would have been cool (should be mandatory on comments like that = "check out"). I tried a search but the top results are some people with health issue. Thank you anyway (I think).
This query in Google worked for me:
"Angine de Poitrine" music
So why not add your findings in form of a link/s instead? Thanks anyhoo
Here's one of their performances:
I skipped about 2 minutes into this and love it. That’s definitely a vibe.
Edit: that guitar looks so heavy. Dude’s gotta have some jacked shoulders.
Edit 2: those costume heads are absolutely 10/10
This is a great find after 2 Old fashions and a couple Sour Monkeys. Sorry for any thread derailing.
Because there were a ton of links and had no idea which would be of interest.
Here ya go!
Love these two. They’re showing up all over the place for me.
@mistercharlie Thanks for the heads up on Angine de Poitrine.. where the hell have I been hiding? Exactly what I needed to hear.. all round amazing.. new favourite.. and fellow 🇨🇦 ..
Saw the feed come up on YT but hadn’t clicked on it yet.. WHY?
Yeah, the big thing about them (Angine de Poitrine) is that he’s using a microtonal guitar/bass.
I keep seeing their videos on YouTube - love what they’re doing.