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Tried walking in really big shoes - Isao Tomita

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  • edited March 10

    @Gavinski said:
    Impressive! Does anyone know was this all done just on iPad?

    Hi @Gavinski,
    Here is a copy of a conversation I had with @Felsenstein back in August 2025, the answer you are after is here:

    @rapidfire said:

    There is a great preset bank available for Synthmaster 2 iOS called Nori Ubukata Historic Synth Giants Vol4, it has many Tomita sounds, even the “boo bah” vocal sounds and there are whistles by the handful, bells, harpsichord, operatic female type voices plus many more and all typically Tomita sounding.

    Good luck with your project.
    Mike

    Hey Mike, thanks for the feedback and the info about synthmaster. Have to confess I don't know this thing, yet. I try to stick with as few as possible instruments (Moog, Mellotron and FX), since Tomita himself was also very limited in regards of gear, especially in the beginning. Nevertheless, he did miracles with it. It's pretty hard and costs a lot of time and nerves to work like this but it's important for the outcome to walk right this way - I guess. I had to recreate all patches from scratch that I know mainly from listening to Pictures/Snowflakes. This took ages but it opened the doors to Tomita's universe, it's crucial to focus on all the details he implemented in his adaptions. Not that I would understand even half of it and I got only a glimpse of how he did the mixing, layering, patching. But the more time passes, the more I stick to the "oldschool" stuff, the more I get a feeling for how he did what he did. Would be like cheating for me to use ready to go patches, but I will have a look, though. ;)

  • I'm just absolutely blown away. How did you get your spatial effects @Felsenstein ? :) What did you use in your mixing process?

  • @rapidfire said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Impressive! Does anyone know was this all done just on iPad?

    Hi @Gavinski,
    Here is a copy of a conversation I had with @Felsenstein back in August 2025, the answer you are after is here:

    @rapidfire said:

    There is a great preset bank available for Synthmaster 2 iOS called Nori Ubukata Historic Synth Giants Vol4, it has many Tomita sounds, even the “boo bah” vocal sounds and there are whistles by the handful, bells, harpsichord, operatic female type voices plus many more and all typically Tomita sounding.

    Good luck with your project.
    Mike

    Hey Mike, thanks for the feedback and the info about synthmaster. Have to confess I don't know this thing, yet. I try to stick with as few as possible instruments (Moog, Mellotron and FX), since Tomita himself was also very limited in regards of gear, especially in the beginning. Nevertheless, he did miracles with it. It's pretty hard and costs a lot of time and nerves to work like this but it's important for the outcome to walk right this way - I guess. I had to recreate all patches from scratch that I know mainly from listening to Pictures/Snowflakes. This took ages but it opened the doors to Tomita's universe, it's crucial to focus on all the details he implemented in his adaptions. Not that I would understand even half of it and I got only a glimpse of how he did the mixing, layering, patching. But the more time passes, the more I stick to the "oldschool" stuff, the more I get a feeling for how he did what he did. Would be like cheating for me to use ready to go patches, but I will have a look, though. ;)

    Hi Mike, thnx, yes I saw that, but to me it wasn't clear whether the "Moog, Mellotron and FX' referred to were iOS apps, you know? All those things could refer to hardware too for example, or desktop plugins perhaps, so I wanted to double check whether these pieces were done solely on iOS.

  • edited March 10

    @Gavinski said:

    @rapidfire said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Impressive! Does anyone know was this all done just on iPad?

    Hi @Gavinski,
    Here is a copy of a conversation I had with @Felsenstein back in August 2025, the answer you are after is here:

    @rapidfire said:

    There is a great preset bank available for Synthmaster 2 iOS called Nori Ubukata Historic Synth Giants Vol4, it has many Tomita sounds, even the “boo bah” vocal sounds and there are whistles by the handful, bells, harpsichord, operatic female type voices plus many more and all typically Tomita sounding.

    Good luck with your project.
    Mike

    Hey Mike, thanks for the feedback and the info about synthmaster. Have to confess I don't know this thing, yet. I try to stick with as few as possible instruments (Moog, Mellotron and FX), since Tomita himself was also very limited in regards of gear, especially in the beginning. Nevertheless, he did miracles with it. It's pretty hard and costs a lot of time and nerves to work like this but it's important for the outcome to walk right this way - I guess. I had to recreate all patches from scratch that I know mainly from listening to Pictures/Snowflakes. This took ages but it opened the doors to Tomita's universe, it's crucial to focus on all the details he implemented in his adaptions. Not that I would understand even half of it and I got only a glimpse of how he did the mixing, layering, patching. But the more time passes, the more I stick to the "oldschool" stuff, the more I get a feeling for how he did what he did. Would be like cheating for me to use ready to go patches, but I will have a look, though. ;)

    Hi Mike, thnx, yes I saw that, but to me it wasn't clear whether the "Moog, Mellotron and FX' referred to were iOS apps, you know? All those things could refer to hardware too for example, or desktop plugins perhaps, so I wanted to double check whether these pieces were done solely on iOS.

    After listening to some of those deep rising sawtooth modulated notes on all @Felsenstein’s three releases, they sound very much like a proper Modular synth, he did write (above) that he tries to to stick with as few as possible instruments (Moog, Mellotron and FX), since Tomita himself was also very limited in regards of gear, especially in the beginning, I’m not sure if these pure Moog sounds can be replicated on iOS, I would like to be corrected on this matter 🤔 I need to start using the Moog Model 15 (iOS) more and see if I can come even close to those unique sounds.
    We need the great @Felsenstein to answer this question for us 😉

  • Hi @Felsenstein,
    Are you sure you’re not a reincarnation of the great Tomita? Your music really….really….really is so precise, every little nuance, every Filter sweep, the swirling phased strings….just everything is just perfect, I remember this second movement and you have absolutely nailed it! Tomita was no doubt a magician with analog synths, so what does that make you 😉
    Your fan Mike

    @rapidfire
    Thanks for the flowers, but believe me, I fail often enough to replicate Tomita's sounds in specific details and then I have to work with compromises. It's probably the mix of many sounds that gives the impression of "being close" to Tomita. Also musically he was a master in breaking down complex score to a rather pop-ish concept. I still lack on this and drift often enough towards a way too full orchestral sound. But I still have enough material to grow my skills on it. ;)

  • @rapidfire said:
    Hi @Felsenstein,
    Here was I listening so intently to all the many parts, I was so engrossed listening to the very quiet sections and then my wife spoke and I almost jumped out of my skin lol, the lest section ended and I waited for the next section unaware it has finished lol

    🤣 I can imagine...

    This third recording is as excellent as the first two, Magnificent👌

    Thanks, at least one of us is convinced of the result. ^^

  • @Gavinski said:
    Impressive! Does anyone know was this all done just on iPad?

    @Gavinski As Mike said, no iPad involved. I work with a machine that runs on XP. Since 2007...

  • @boomer said:
    Fantastic! I also would like to know what platform/synths etc you used.

    @boomer Simple PC, win XP and my DAW is REAPER. Mainly I use Arturia's Moog Modular V2, some free Mellotron plugs, extra Mellotron samples and for some things M-tron by GForce. Additional vintage audio effects like spring reverb, tape echo etc., all freeware. I try to emulate not only Tomita's sounds but also the way he was forced to work hence the technical limitations. So I hope to avoid slipping into a too modern sound and to "feel" how hard Tomita had to work to achieve his typical sonic universe.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I'm just absolutely blown away. How did you get your spatial effects @Felsenstein ? :) What did you use in your mixing process?

    @jwmmakerofmusic If you refer to the typical "Tomita-stereo", that's done by flipping the phase of one channel of the signal that's i.e. panning from left to right or center to side etc. Most tracks are normal stereo or mono, some tracks are in "Tomita-stereo". It depends on the nature of the instrument and what effect is desired. Works not for everything and can easy be overused. I often have to hold myself back to do so, because it's tempting. :D The rest is vintage fx like spring reverb, tape echoes of all kind, warm distortion and adding "dirt" here and there. And lots of EQing, as you can imagine.

  • @rapidfire said:
    We need the great @Felsenstein to answer this question for us 😉

    @rapidfire The great..... 😂 Since I have no clue about iPad and the likes, I can only tell you what I used on my machine. If you tell me the timecode of the videos I might be able to bring light into the details in that specific sound. Basically it never depends on the platform or synth to achieve a very similar result. The differences often can only be seen on an oszi, barely heard comparing i.e. a saw from that machine with a saw from another machine. The plugs nowadays are so advanced, you can basically do everything with any plug. Some just look better or have a more rational amount of really needed knobs and parameters.

  • @Felsenstein said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I'm just absolutely blown away. How did you get your spatial effects @Felsenstein ? :) What did you use in your mixing process?

    @jwmmakerofmusic If you refer to the typical "Tomita-stereo", that's done by flipping the phase of one channel of the signal that's i.e. panning from left to right or center to side etc. Most tracks are normal stereo or mono, some tracks are in "Tomita-stereo". It depends on the nature of the instrument and what effect is desired. Works not for everything and can easy be overused. I often have to hold myself back to do so, because it's tempting. :D The rest is vintage fx like spring reverb, tape echoes of all kind, warm distortion and adding "dirt" here and there. And lots of EQing, as you can imagine.

    That's awesome! :) You're a genius, you know that? I love your take on Isao's style. It's just amazing! :)

  • @Felsenstein said:

    @rapidfire said:
    We need the great @Felsenstein to answer this question for us 😉

    @rapidfire The great..... 😂 Since I have no clue about iPad and the likes, I can only tell you what I used on my machine. If you tell me the timecode of the videos I might be able to bring light into the details in that specific sound. Basically it never depends on the platform or synth to achieve a very similar result. The differences often can only be seen on an oszi, barely heard comparing i.e. a saw from that machine with a saw from another machine. The plugs nowadays are so advanced, you can basically do everything with any plug. Some just look better or have a more rational amount of really needed knobs and parameters.

    And of course it’s not just the instruments and fx that you used, it’s the exactitude of your meticulousness mimicry of zoning into a particular instrument part and recreate it, that takes intense concentration, I have done this with Orchestral and complex electronic music just for the fun of it, I first did the Orchestral piece in Cubase SX2 on Windows Vista, I then did the same piece of music on iPad (Cubasis 3) to see if there was any difference, the difference was in the size of the screen - not sound quality, but I don’t think I would have the patience to cover Tomita, you can certainly fill his shoes, it not I lol
    Mike

  • Not familiar with the original music but after this taster I’m looking forward to your next instalment 👌

  • That's awesome! :) You're a genius, you know that? I love your take on Isao's style. It's just amazing! :)

    @jwmmakerofmusic Nah, I'm just an amateur with amateurish tech in a "studio" as small as a shower cabin, literally! But yes, I'm indeed one of the very few who dared to put their hands on Tomita's sounds and "steal" them to adapt classical pieces he didn't do in his lifetime. I wish there were more Tomita-enthusiasts, because there is so much great music out there that deserves the Tomita-transformation, but I'm afraid, the generation that knows Tomita at all and that specific genre is about to extinct...

  • @rapidfire said:

    And of course it’s not just the instruments and fx that you used, it’s the exactitude of your meticulousness mimicry of zoning into a particular instrument part and recreate it, that takes intense concentration, I have done this with Orchestral and complex electronic music just for the fun of it, I first did the Orchestral piece in Cubase SX2 on Windows Vista, I then did the same piece of music on iPad (Cubasis 3) to see if there was any difference, the difference was in the size of the screen - not sound quality, but I don’t think I would have the patience to cover Tomita, you can certainly fill his shoes, it not I lol
    Mike

    @rapidfire Well, indeed, you need to sit down and to listen to tiny details again and again. But no matter how often, I was never able to catch the full 100%. Tomita's mix is always made of so many layers and all of them cover different eqs, fx and tape-typical parameters, I can only guess and then rebuild them as good as I understand them acoustically. Sometimes it works, often it didn't. But I think, it's better to fail trying than not trying at all. Did I mention that there's a YT channel by a Japanese, who replicated some of Tomita's tunes and he did it so fantastic, that I was close to give up on the project before I even started. He's SO skilled! https://www.youtube.com/@HomageToIsaoTOMITA

  • @GeoTony said:
    Not familiar with the original music but after this taster I’m looking forward to your next instalment 👌

    @GeoTony In ~ 8 weeks I'll start working on the 4th movement. Stay tuned. :)

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