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Simple script to turn sustain pedal (CC64) of a AUv3 synth off in Cubasis 3
Hi. Could someone kindly make a script for this? I have tried Patchstorage "MIDI Filter" and it didn't work. I just need this very simple script, and please, in a ".mozaic" file. My goal is to load a AUv3 synth on a Cubasis 3 midi track and insert this Mozaic script on this track to turn the sustain pedal off.
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Do you have a keyboard with a sustain pedal? And where does the initial sustain on message come from?
When you use the midi filter script it blocks all cc64 messages. On and off.
I am using a Yamaha p-525 piano with Local control off naturally. But still the Mozaic filter script does not work.
The filter script just blocks all sustain messages. So a sustain pedal release message will not go through.
Maybe the sostenuto script does something you might find usefull.
Hi Alfred. Thank you for your help. Do you think the fact I am using Cubasis for ipad, the DAW bypasses the filter itself letting the P525 sustain still trigger?
Are you sure you're doing this correctly in Cubasis 3? Could you try the script in AUM or Audiobus, to see if it does what you want? If it does, then you need to find out how to use it in Cubasis.
Also, to clarify, do you want to block all CC64 messages coming from the piano?
No. I only want to filter the sustain pedal on Midi tracks 2 to 4 (pad sounds). Only in track 1 (piano) i want the sustain pedal to fully work. This way I can layer both piano and pads without the pads (filtered for sustain) becoming a big blur which happens exactly when i dont disable the sustain pedal for the pads. Unfortunately I am not being able to do this inside Cubasis with Mozaic...
To uncledave and Afred: I found out that the issue relies in Cubasis 3 for iPad which is a shame. In Logic Pro for iPad the Midi filter Mozaic script works just fine. Thank you for your help.
Good. I suspected that. Cubasis 3 MIDI routing is mysterious to me.
Aum is superior in midi routing with its midi matrix. There you could set something up where blocked sustain signal is transmitted on another midichannel of the virtual midi output.
Thank you Alfred. Somehow I never got used to work with AUM. To me it has a not-so-friendly learning curve. I use "Sessions plugin host", which being itself a much simpler app is much more intuitive to work with and already comes with its own integrated midi filters, sustain being one of them.
I also found out that Logic for iPad works really well with Mozaic, AuV3s synths and FXs, and lets you arm, play (!) and record several Midi tracks at once (unlike Cubasis 3), and in general - until now - seems to be a much more stable app than Cubasis (which sometimes has it's own quirks...). Yes you have to pay for a annual subscription for Logic unlike Cubasis which is a one-time-payment app...
Good to hear that Logic works well. I tested the first version and was a bit disappointed. Wich led me to finaly upgrade cubasis. Now I also use sessions although camelot also found its way onto my ipad. I got sessions for its free mac version.
My only (not-so-big) complaint is I really dont like Logic permanent black background color finding it all too dark. Apple really manage to make Logic for iPad very intuitive now, in fact much more intuitive than the desktop version. I pair my iPad and Logic with Korg Nanokontrol Studio (you have to Midi learn - only once - the buttons and faders inside Logic) and it makes for a super practical solution for play/rehearse/record songs. All these creations forever suspended in the threads of time :O)
How do the synth interfaces in logic look now? I remember most screens were just a bunch of sliders.
You have now a complete rendering of the native app. And it adjust automatically as you stretch/shrink the app inside Logic. They have gone a long way.
I was wondering why you initialy wanted to use cubasis? Was it the subscription.
Well I redownloaded Logic and am pretty hesitant to accept the free trial...
Actually I started all with Logic on the iPad, prior to even considering Cubasis 3. However I never used Logic so much because at that time I also wanted to try Cubasis (very nice reviews online, nice interface, Steinberg having been bought by Yamaha, etc).
A year passed by and Apple kept bringing a bunch of additions to Logic - but to me, even better than all those "bell-and-whistles" -, worked in making Logic stable and intuitive.
In the meatime, while using Cubasis (and I finished several complete songs with it), I began to see that many times Cubasis was not very stable: issues mixing down songs (even crashing Cubasis), audio sound glitches when playing back perfectly fine voice recordings mixed with Auv3 Vocoder plugins (lots of this actually...), and ultimately - plugins like Mozaic, Streambyter, etc not working at all.
So a few day ago I decided to re-use Logic (I already have a subscription), and to my surprise the export to file was flawless, Mozaic scripts worked (Logic even has its own filter tool, besides an arpeggiator, drum sequencer, step sequencer, etc.), Auv3 synths rendered natively and without flaws, and in resume the workflow is a lot better and polished now. Everything worked without flaws or crashes. And I can guarantee you that Cubasis will crash when you start recording 8/9/10 tracks, using audio and midi tracks mixed with some AuV3 plugin Fx (at least Vocoders). So I am keeping Cubasis 3 yes but will use Logic Pro from now on.
Thank you for the excelent description of your voyage.
I tried the new Logic and I realy like it too.
It seems that company control of the audio drivers does make a difference.
This is what I expected from the Camel Audio team.
BTW the sostenuto script is what you might like on those pad tracks, instead of blocking the sustain message.
Good morning Alfred. Sustenuto ? Can you explain ?
Dont worry. I have read Patchstorage "Sustenuto" script description. I will try it out for sure and thank you for the tip.
By the way, if you like me, enjoy the piano sound, I have tried several ones in IOS (besides Pianoteq which is super expensive), and the best to me is Pure Piano. Better even then the recent Verve and Etude by Steinberg. Ravenscroft is also very nice but the low keys dont have the "body" Pure Piano has. It's really a incredible piano.
And yes, I love to make and play Layered sounds with Piano + strings/pads like the known "worship" kind of sounds in Nord Stage 3/4 and Sunday Keys - without spending all that money.
The sostenuto holds the notes played when pressing the pedal, while not sustaining the notes played afterwards.
Perfect for drones.
Weird.
I only thought to map sostenuto yesterday.
You press a key, then activate the sostenuto. Better timing captures more key. Then whilst thats sustained. You can play notes without sustain.
Yes Pianoteq has this built in. But the script gives any synth this mode. It is specialy usefull with sounds with no natural decay.
Thank you for sharing. I also use Drambo, great app. The sustain/sostenuto module you use in your video is a native Drambo MIDI module or its a module you have made ?
Whats the script ( and for Drambo )
Been mapping sustain to synths.
Does a synth just need an adsr ?
I use a blueboard and output ccs ( other than 64 )
You just midi learn the parameters of pianoteq. Then use a blueboard and pedals ( set to output any cc ) other than 64.
Can I just map any synth with an adsr ?
Thank you.
@eduraf About good pianos, I allready owned Pianoteq for PC so that was a nice treat getting it for free.
After the physical modeling of pianoteq no sampled piano did it for me anymore. For pianoteq I got me a hamerred 88 key Studiologic Acuna.
Now with logic you have a huge load of great sounding pianos. Maybe even some physical modeled ones.
Before Pianoteq on iPad I was using Ravencroft for its sympathetic resonance.
At this moment in time I simply cant afford Pianoteq, although many piano players find it to be the most accurate digital representation of a piano sound and nuances.