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Any workaround for getting a bass only from Spacewalk?

I know the dev said multi out is coming but in the meantime what I'd like is a way to filter out all but the lowest note. Does anyone have another app suggestion that would accomplish that? I'd prefer a "live" option. I suppose the ultimate fallback is to export the MIDI and edit it down manually but I'd rather not do it that way.

Any ideas?

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  • Could fiddle with this mozaic patch:

    https://patchstorage.com/smart-chord-bass/

  • @Squishy said:
    Could fiddle with this mozaic patch:

    https://patchstorage.com/smart-chord-bass/

    Ooh! That looks very promising! Ima try it

  • Hmm, that doesn't quite work as there are no real breaks in the Spacewalk output so the patch keeps latched onto the bass note. Hmm, maybe I could inject some note off events somehow?

  • Polythemus - old midi app that still works it’s 3.99 so I waited till you posted a success or failure

  • @audiblevideo said:
    Polythemus - old midi app that still works it’s 3.99 so I waited till you posted a success or failure

    That also looks promising but I'm wondering about when notes off occur and if this will have the same issue of never recognizing when the new bass note comes in

  • @jimhanks said:
    I know the dev said multi out is coming but in the meantime what I'd like is a way to filter out all but the lowest note. Does anyone have another app suggestion that would accomplish that? I'd prefer a "live" option. I suppose the ultimate fallback is to export the MIDI and edit it down manually but I'd rather not do it that way.

    Any ideas?

    Not sure if this is what you’re looking for but Prism midi Sequencer has some possible solutions worth checking out ..

    Prism’s Warp FX lets you filter chords by mono/poly and choose what notes and how many play and at what pitch .. hi, lo, mid range .. can even shift the octave up and down for even more pitch control

    Where this gets interesting is when you use Prism’s Echo to have your bass track echo your chord progression track .. then apply the warp filter to the bass track ..

    So , say you have a chord progression on track 1 and your bass on track 2. Your set track 2 to echo track 1, so it plays the exact same thing, then you can use Warp FX to shape your bass - make it mono, filter out the high notes, raise/lower the octave .. so where ever your chord progression goes, the echoing bass track will follow the it with the note(s) based on your warp fx settings ..

    There’s a lot more you can do with this set up but this is the most straightforward for what you might be looking for.

  • _ki_ki
    edited April 11

    @jimhanks said:
    Hmm, that doesn't quite work as there are no real breaks in the Spacewalk output so the patch keeps latched onto the bass note. Hmm, maybe I could inject some note off events somehow?

    Hmm, i just checked the SmartChordBass script with Spacewalk - you are right, the bass is latched as with SpaceWalk there are always some note that stay active and the script only retriggers its analysis after all notes are releasedto allow for ‚ornamentation‘ (ie its a script feature)

    Since spacewalk changes chords on the regular beat grid, i can perhaps add an option to restart analysis every N beats/bars. I still have to decide on the UI since all knobs are already in use.

    I don‘t have time for coding this weekend, but maybe can start lokking into it next week.

  • Aphelian was great for this but unfortunately no longer available on the App Store, if you still have it on your device it should work.

    Mozaic as mentioned

    Any arp app that receives incoming midi, step poly arp, arpbud2, etc… you can slow the arp down, make it only a few steps, select the notes of the chord you want to play, and also add something like midigates or a separate mozaic to filter out some of the notes.

  • @_ki said:

    @jimhanks said:
    Hmm, that doesn't quite work as there are no real breaks in the Spacewalk output so the patch keeps latched onto the bass note. Hmm, maybe I could inject some note off events somehow?

    Hmm, i just checked the SmartChordBass script with Spacewalk - you are right, the bass is latched as with SpaceWalk there are always some note that stay active and the script only retriggers its analysis after all notes are releasedto allow for ‚ornamentation‘ (ie its a script feature)

    Since spacewalk changes chords on the regular beat grid, i can perhaps add an option to restart analysis every N beats/bars. I still have to decide on the UI since all knobs are already in use.

    I don‘t have time for coding this weekend, but maybe can start lokking into it next week.

    That be dope. Obviously no rush but always liked that script, and if it could be improved that be dope. Take your time mate.

  • _ki_ki
    edited April 11

    @jimhanks While testing around with your idea to insert note-offs to retrigger a new analysis, i remembered that one can do this with step poly arp:

    Feed spacewalk midi into StepPolyArp in seq mode, where there are 5 lines each outputing just the input note, but retriggers at the end of 2 bars (ie the same setting as used in spacewalk) . If SpaceWalk creates chords with more than 5 notes, one needs to add more of these lines.

    Then feed these retriggering chords into the mozaic script.

    Remarks:

    • StepPolyArp need to be set to C Chromatic to switch of scale quantisation.
    • The SBC settings use minimal delay and switch off inversion detection
  • _ki_ki
    edited April 11

    But there is an even simpler solution, one doesn‘t need the SBC script at all. Feed SpaceWalk into StepPolyArp with the following setting and it will output the lowest note of each spacewalk chord, transposed down an octave:

    or here with added rythm and octave jump:

    If one configures the ‚higher‘ note to only play every even cycle, it will sound less robotic :)

  • Wow, lots of great ideas! Unfortunately I don't have Prism or StepPolyArp and I may not jump on those just for this experiment. Or I might. Thanks all.

  • edited April 12

    @_ki said:
    But there is an even simpler solution, one doesn‘t need the SBC script at all. Feed SpaceWalk into StepPolyArp with the following setting and it will output the lowest note of each spacewalk chord, transposed down an octave:

    //

    or here with added rythm and octave jump:
    //
    If one configures the ‚higher‘ note to only play every even cycle, it will sound less robotic :)

    This works real nice and with an arp (I'm testing with Bleass Arpeggiator which for some reason is a bit scratchy on the hits) you have a cool bass line for your chords. I kept mine at 0 in SPA(not -12) but I guess that depends what app it's going to.. Good idea @jimhanks

  • @_ki said:

    But there is an even simpler solution, one doesn‘t need the SBC script at all. Feed SpaceWalk into StepPolyArp with the following setting and it will output the lowest note of each spacewalk chord, transposed down an octave:

    or here with added rythm and octave jump:

    If one configures the ‚higher‘ note to only play every even cycle, it will sound less robotic :)

    Hi Ki, about this 'Feed SpaceWalk into StepPolyArp with the following setting and it will output the lowest note of each spacewalk chord' - what is there in the setup which makes it output only the lowest note?

  • @Gavinski | what is there in the setup which makes it output only the lowest note?

    It‘s the „1“ configuration for each of the notes.

    Tapping a note of the grid opens up a per note settings dialog

    With the „order“ setting ,one can not only configure > up/ <down/= keep to create specific custom patterns, but also specify which note of a chord should be picked (1-5) . I forgot what S and L stand for.

    The „play on cycle“ allows to configure in which playthrough of the loop the note is issued. One can use odd length make a pattern more interrsting. Changing the length isn‘t that intuitive. Press x to lengthen it to that count, to shorten long-press the last wanted step - the ones right of it will be removed and change back to x

    „Note repeat“ configures ratcheting, even with speeup or slowdown and possible velocity curve.

  • @_ki said:

    @Gavinski | what is there in the setup which makes it output only the lowest note?

    It‘s the „1“ configuration for each of the notes.

    Tapping a note of the grid opens up a per note settings dialog

    With the „order“ setting ,one can not only configure > up/ <down/= keep to create specific custom patterns, but also specify which note of a chord should be picked (1-5) . I forgot what S and L stand for.

    The „play on cycle“ allows to configure in which playthrough of the loop the note is issued. One can use odd length make a pattern more interrsting. Changing the length isn‘t that intuitive. Press x to lengthen it to that count, to shorten long-press the last wanted step - the ones right of it will be removed and change back to x

    „Note repeat“ configures ratcheting, even with speeup or slowdown and possible velocity curve.

    Oh yeah, you know I haven't used that app much recently, completely forgot about some of these settings. This app really remains one of the best tools out there, thnx Ki!

  • Good call @Pxlhg Bleass Arp is another solid option.

    Yea StepPolyArp is super deep and i often have to remind myself to use it, lol.

  • StepPolyArp intimidates me more than Drambo haha. Sounds like a pretty solid app tho! 🤙

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