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[CLOSED] Moving past envelope followers: Note-triggered Wah-ish / Phaser effects for Guitar / Bass
Have an experimental note-triggered effect that was specifically built to be reactive to bass guitar note onsets.
Since its inception, it was confirmed that it can perform really well with rhythm guitar techniques too. And can even be used in a fair number of distortion / overdrive setups.
What's in TestFlight right now, caters to this latter category a bit more than bass guitars out-of-the-box, but you can take a peek at the previous build to find the OG setting ("circuit 1") that started it all 
This widening of scope is both awesome news, but a serious head-scratcher, because real-time note detection, ESPECIALLY for bass guitars is a highly advanced subject, not without its imperfections or susceptibility to tons of factors and nuances.
You can probably see where this is going - and paired with the recurring theme of unread app descriptions (heck, even app subtitles!) can spell some serious trouble for this poor lil fella. So that's where your feedback comes in!
Please send a private message with your e-mail address if you'd be interested in a TestFlight invite and in providing some feedback.
Thanks very much.
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I did have a go with this over the weekend, really nice sounds out of the various circuits on offer, I particularly liked the first, slower set…
I wonder if there is a reliable soluton to this, other than the player adapting the playing style for wah type filter effects.
Only the player knows when the wah filter should open and when it shouldn't.
Yes, this would be more in the larger ballpark of envelope filters (sometimes mistakenly also called AutoWahs), but could trigger those full-depth sweeps / transitions even if there is no proportional envelope change - and conversely it's resistant to coupling cutoff frequency changes to amplitude fluctuations.
There is also a special smoothing option to make things more fluid, overarching multiple notes. Sort of having an overall physical momentum that can be nudged up and down as different note lengths and spacings follow in a performance.
Hey, gave this a test drive and it works well! The effect is subtle and smooth--instantly makes me want to play the classic OJays track "For the Love of Money".
It's a bit of a one-trick pony but it works better than the other envelope filters and auto wahs I've tried.
Spot on. Some serious studio magic went into that, given that their phaser didn't have anything other than the onboard LFO, if available information is accurate.
Really digging the LE as is in Dublin, Agonizer, and really all the basses I’ve tried.
Btw… real phase sounds so good on basses. Instant Gold when slapped on, imo
This bass is from bitcrust
Actually had some recent ideas for RealPhase's MIDI system. Like note-based randomization.
And of course initially there was velocity sensitivity planned.
Sky's the limit really - so it was decided that actual real-world demand should be the driving force for these advanced updates.
So don’t hold back if you’re a RealPhase MIDI power user and sometimes feel you’re running up against a wall...
That would make it exceptional, the midi limitations are kind of a constant reminder, that would really make the experience better. Still the audio results are incredible, you are high fidelity my friend.
For future reference, please feel free to reach out with feedback or requests - especially if something remains a "constant reminder" after a year in release! Much appreciated.
Yes Yes and Yes!
@quantovox bro… your plugins are awesome. I can’t believe how much Real Phase has grown… love all your stuff man. Keep up the great work
Get ready... LE variant's gonna get a bigger companion, maybe later today.
Thanks everyone for participating.
To round things off, attached are a few bonus presets that didn't make it to version 1.0.0, including some extra squeaky (and in the right hands, extra glitchy) filtering.
Three of them are for the brave souls who use guitar plugins on synths! Although in this case, maybe the situation is reversed, and the real bravery belongs to those who'll use these presets on guitars (DO IT)
Challenge accepted! But now I’m thinking I avoided the “three” you had in mind and took the easy way out. Preset was called “Smooth” after all… Whatever, love this app, great stuff as always 🤙
Wow, that SYRUP is doing some heavy lifting there at 0:02 !
But the note about sustained notes is staying in the app description... Not even a big jar of syrup can save you sometimes...
@filo01 @flo @Robin2 @Squishy @Krupa @tubespace
Hi, need your feedback on something important for the first app update.
The "univibe preset" the other day kind of highlighted something that was considered an edge case, and may require a revisit of a decision that had some complicated non-technical underpinnings, coming from different views of the same thing, and some historical aspects. Perhaps a subjective area, so looking for additional opinions.
Bottom: The LFO Rate setting originally went up to a high frequency, where it was perfectly reigned in by a slew limiter / LPF, resulting in no modulation at the max setting. (You might be aware that phasers don't take to high modfreq's very kindly, and LFO smoothing was a beloved and highly missed feature of the v1 version of the Small Stone pedal - but probably didn't completely suppress all modulation at the highest setting either)
Top: In the final version (and in all betas) this range was reduced, so even though the modulation starts do fade out, it will never disappear. This may lead to mistaking that shallow modulation for no modulation at all, especially before getting to know the effect fully well. But has additional practical advantages, like the ability to dial in high-rate modulations that are still deep, with slightly increased immediacy.
Of course one can argue that you can run into the same thing in both variants, and the solution is really just to get to know the effect well enough - although having that difference occur at the very maximum of the setting can be an important nuance (and had more importance for the main motivation behind the feature).
What do you think? Thanks in advance.
The images are stylized, not actual engineering representations.
The second looks prettier, hard to tell without ab testing, is this change live in the beta? I’m trying to get a better setup with my guitar pedals at the moment so I can use iPad stuff in my big amp, currently not got iPad connected to the studio monitors either so I’m only hearing in headphones at the moment…
I almost always use modulation rate synchronized with the host BPM and I don't go faster than 1/16. So reduced rate range will not limit me at all.
This was never changed in published betas, it was always the upper version.
(might be a good idea to A/B test it in a special TestFlight build?...)
There are definitely pros and cons to both (would have also preferred the bottom one actually, but it seems to have a few more points going against it).
Edited the image a bit, to remove a possibly confusing gap at the end.
And maybe it's now indicative of one more nuance (experienced in practice of course), an increased ease of dialling in a faster modulation that is still high-ish in depth. Slightly easier to do in the top variant (current live version). Will update the original text with that.
A/B test build would definitely make sense if it’s easily done.
Maybe the question was overcomplicated, and if this is not something that's surfaced during the beta, the only question is:
The main mitigating factor here is after all, we're talking about the MAX rate setting... but still thought it would be good to check.
This can already be tried and tested now (it can probably be quite different pre- and post-amp). But will look into setting up something special in TestFlight if that's the best - or at least 2 manually switchable builds if that suffices.
Thanks.
(then again, simplification to a one-liner carries its own risks, which is where the hands-on approach may be better if the original formulation was a bit dry and technical... BUT the fact this didn't surface during the beta was already an important piece of information in the big picture)
I’m in the same boat, and even 1/16 might be pushing it for my taste, gets into that weird vibrato territory that always reminds me of Blackhole Sun and just isn’t for me. So I’m probably not the right test group for this haha.
The point is about unintended modulation where you wanted none at all, but yes if you don't dial up that setting, it remains a theoretical question
Theoretically then, if I were tweaking a modulation rate knob and when I got closer to max setting the modulation just disappeared (as in the bottom picture), as a user I’d prolly be pretty befuddled. I like the idea of the slew/smoothing tho for this phaser/small stone case. Maybe a toggle switch is in order so the user can choose their preference rather than making that choice for them?
Thanks for the feedback. Indeed this was a main reason to go with the upper design.
Will probably be on the conservative side regarding adding more configuration settings to this plugin, instead will try to focus on its well-roundedness. To the extent it is possible and makes sense. And subject to feedback of course.