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Imma read Michael Beinhorn’s Unlocking Creativity!
Btw do you technically have to sing to make a song?
I'm not a singer and use autotune for my vocals. Sometimes I release that as my own song. Other times I send a version with my vocals on it as a demo for a potential singer to sing. All depends.
Thanks so much mate.
Maybe not satanic- but making yourself a vessel for ethereal spirits whom they believe are fallen angels to inhabit your body and take over doesn't really not sound satanic.
Rick Ruben only has one book.
😂😆 This is the funniest description of a book I've ever heard. Yeah, I consider folks who "channel spirits" in their creative processes to be a bit silly. "The Sky Mother of the Universe channeled her frustrations with war on my planet through my fingers". 🤣 Now I'm unsure if the Rick Rubens book will be worth my time.
With the Rick Rubin angle, I think it's very common for artists to have mystical beliefs about creativity. Dylan, Tom Petty, and countless others have described themselves as "conduits" for something beyond themselves.
It's not surprising really. Creativity is mysterious. You sit down to write, with no idea of what is going to happen. If it goes well the work just flows out of you. Where did it come from? Who knows.
It might be the subconscious and/or the non-verbal right hemisphere of the brain. But it's understandable that people will have some mystical beliefs about the process, because it is genuinely mysterious and surprising.
However just because you might have been in a flow state when writing, doesn't mean the stuff is any good. You still need the more measured and practical process of editing, filtering, and deleting. And to do the work, and put the hours and years in IMO.
Being in a flow state is a necessity for creativity, but it's not a shortcut that lets you bypass the hard work of improving your craft.
Same with drugs, only more so. Hallucinogenics can give you some profound insights, but they are just as likely to produce bullshit (ask me how I know). And again they are no substitute to doing the work. At the end of the day, working is what works. The flow state is a prerequisite, but not a guarantee.
A good and thorough explanation about why some folks believe in the "ethereal". I myself believe creativity originates from the right side of the brain (the "emotional/creative" side of the brain if you will). It's how one goes into a "flow state". The left side is where the editing, filtering, deleting, and other thinking work comes from (the "logical/practical" side of the brain if you will).
And yeah, the "flow state" doesn't always hit on target either and is indeed capable of producing some cringeworthy bullshit. Sometimes said bullshit can be doctored and fixed using critical thinking and such, but sometimes (such as in the case of the rubbish lyrics I wrote yesterday) a song written in flow state is beyond saving and just needs to be scrapped, period. 😂
He believes that creativity is spiritual qualia.
Which sorta makes sense. It's like 90% Kaballah and 10% Buddhist influence
Some people believe that satan's job in heaven before his fall was a music conductor(seriously) and that human music is a satanic perversion of its original intent which was to praise GOD.
Lol
Channeling influential spirits is also common in acting. Apparently it goes all the way back to Socrates and Greek drama (see Socrates Muse)
Lot's of actors talk about allowing something to overtake them. It's all fascinating really. Something about rituals attract the spirit and then you have to request it to embody you. I'm sure there's some hokus pokus folks on here that are into this stuff....
@jwmmakerofmusic
In this video they talk about "automatic writing" as the writers version of "channeling a muse"
Lol. Fascinating to be honest.
I had a mindblowingly successful gig tonight and got a lot of money in my tip jar! So tomorrow I'm purchasing "Successful Lyric Writing" by Sheila Davis. (Her other book "The Craft of Lyric Writing" costs over 50 quid on Amazon, so I'll hold off purchasing that one.)
Saw this video...
...and dug out an unused composition notebook I'll be using for jotting down song ideas, titles (even if not the final titles of songs), bits of lyrics, rhymes, and even rough drafts of songs with a biro (ballpoint pen). I think when it comes to "flow state", going the "analog" route could be best. Where when in the "flow state", I can just pull out my phone for Rhymezone/Thesaurus.com . (I only have notifications active for phone calls, not for texts or social media apps, because I hate notifications distracting me when I'm working on music, period.)
I did consider digging out an e-ink tablet, but it requires me to charge it. I honestly can't be buggered with charging devices and being distracted by "how much battery life do I have left". So composition and biro it is.
Buy yourself sticky notes. Put bundles of stickynotes everywhere with a pen next to it in your home where you frequently are. When inspiration hits write it down on the notes and stick the notes in a dummy book. Put as little friction between yourself and getting this written down. Maybe buy a nice fountain pen for when you actually sit down to finish something
A fountain pen doesn't sound like a bad idea at all!
Thanks mate! Good lookin out.
Well, today I was out of the flat for a little while, and took along my composition notebook and biro. Couldn't think of jack shit to write about. 🫣😂 Like I said above, I wrote a song a couple days ago, but it was very cringe and sucked. It got my feelings out in a creative way (right brain), but it just plain old sucked (left brain).
Yea I’ve read or listened to a couple of those using my library card and a few apps, Libby, Hoopla, etc… Your local library is a heck of a resource.
Theres some good podcasts out there too.
Just went down a rabbit hole to gather some information. Hopefully it’s helpful.
Theres some cool apps for writing, or writing lyrics
Word Palette is a cool app
Lyric Note Pad Song Writing Tool
Prompts - Keep Writing is free, iaps are tips only
Songsmith - write lyrics boldly
Rhymello
Any rhyming dictionary app, or writing prompt app can be useful.
Im a huge fan of words, idioms, analogies, euphemisms, phrases, sayings and expressions. I keep a running list of interesting words, phrases, idioms that i come across for future use, which definitely helps.
Some artists use a cut up method, where they write words, phrases, or sayings on a bunch of pieces of paper pertaining to their topic then mix and match them to come up with something useful. Write from someone else’s perspective.
Theres lots of free web apps to help too
Generate Lyrics is useful
Musici.io
Song Lyrics Generator
Lyrics Generator
AIWriter
Rap Lyrics Generator
Bored Humans Lyric Generator
SongCraft - requires sign up
Writing Prompts are useful, writers use them as exercise, or for their work
Writing Prompt Generator
Theres a bunch of resources, including any LLM, I'm not saying take exactly what ai spits out to use as lyrics, but you can always take pieces, maybe a phrase, word, line you like, and forget the rest.
Yea the notebook is clutch, great thoughts can come to you at anytime and anywhere, so always be ready to jot it down old school style, or use a voice memo, or digital notes.
Just stumbled on this haven’t tested it yet
Lyricave is free
This one might not be worth your time.
Read. A lot. Not about how to write lyrics. Just read. Understand the human condition outside yourself. And then fit to the melody as @richardyot said
Rhyme Zone web app
Outstanding @Poppadocrock !
Thank you so much for the help. Appreciate you mate. I'll be checking out all the resources you gave me. I'm definitely aware of Rhymezone and Thesaurus.com already, so I'm ahead in that regard. 
@mjcouche I'm thinking that reading more classic poetry would be a good way to get into the mindset of meter, rhyme, etc. I do understand well the human condition outside of myself (from various perspectives), but the trick is figuring out how to put various aspects of said condition into various songs, lyrics, etc. 😂 In fact, I'd argue one of the best songs regarding the human condition and world peace is John Lennon's "Imagine".
As you probably know, I can create melodies, harmonies, and beats and such just fine. Instrumentals. It's when I get to the words I get stuck. I think what I need to do is practice "flow state" type of writing. Just writing down words and words related to words, phrases from conversations I overheard/have with people, etc, in my notebook. Maybe a song (or even an EP of songs) may spur from that. Like, if I start writing a song and too many ideas are being crammed into the narrative of said song, the ideas could be all split off into their own songs.
Just riffing off some ideas I thought about and wanted to share in this thread, both as a reminder to myself, and perhaps helpful to anyone who stumbles upon this thread.
Cheers.
Your lyrics are supposed to be cringe. That means they are probably heartfelt and simple wich are great building blocks for a relatable (pop) song. You probably need to improve your vocabulaire and imagery but that comes with writing a lot of cringe lyrics, learning to balance proze and poetry and by collaborating with others.
If you need a writing partner/coowriter or someone to critique your lyrics: hit me up
Don't encourage Jim to buy more stuff pls 😂
Nailed it on the head!
Thanks mate.
I'll keep that in mind.
A good fountain pen can be found for a nice price in a thrifststore and will retain it's value unlike apps
Lol! 😂 I found 8 disposable ones on Amazon for a tenner. I didn't buy it just yet, because I have a gig tonight and will deposit the potential tips tomorrow.
1 good fountainpen will last a lifetime! Don't buy thowaway stuff for godsake. save up for good stuff. cries in Vimes 'boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness
Lol! Oh alright.
Im glad you brought it up. It’s not as frequently discussed as making music is in this forum.
Reading poetry will definitely help. Reading in general will help, i look up any words i don't know, and keep a list of the ones i like. Creating lyrics and vocal patterns is one of the things Ive always been pretty decent at doing. Listening to more music will help a lot too, especially music that’s maybe not in your usual rotation, but has great vocals and vocal arrangements.
I would definitely recommend listening to some great musicians/songwriters that are highly regarded for their vocal abilities too. Obviously the Beatles, i like Elliot Smith, & Jeff Buckley a lot too. Motown, soul, & R&B stuff is great. Holland, Dozier, Holland, the writing trio behind a lot of Motown hits, were phenomenal writers. Otis Redding, Stevie wonder, Michael Jackson, Smokey Robinson are all some of my favorite singers. Nina Simone is another unique talent. There's too many to mention.
Also get out of your listening comfort zone and explore. Here’s an example of what i mean, The song by Madonna “Take A Bow” written by babyface is a phenomenal track. Give it a listen. I don’t typically listen to Madonna, no offense to Madonna fans, but she’s just not in my normal rotation. However, that song is so good, and the vocal arrangement is so great, i cant help but love it. I heard it somewhere a few years ago for the first time in a while and i realized how brilliant it was. So try to get out of your listening comfort zone occasionally, and explore some different singers & songwriters to see what catches your ear.
Personally when trying to write lyrics i like to hum or just make sounds to find out how i would like the vocal pattern to go, then once i have the vocal rhythm or rhythms i like, then i fit the lyrics into the vocal rhythm.