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Do New Apple IOS Updates Always Have To Ruin Audiobus And Other Music Apps?
Just wondering what causes this? Why does it happen? Also can it be prevented in the future?
Also while I'm here creating this thread, I'm wondering should I update my Ipad 3 that is still currently on IOS 7 point something?
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Yes and depends.
It's incredibly complex software. They want to keep moving it ahead, for various reasons. And there is incredibly complex software running on it. Apple can in theory control their own quality, but they have pressures to get things moving, and fixing in place is one of the key things software companies do now. They have no control over the devs of the apps, and those devs are often one guy, or very small shops, with little or no QA staff themselves. It takes discipline, time and a sustained effort to properly QA and app, because every time you make a fix or a change, you need to test if all over again. And it still has to work on old versions of the OS and old versions of the hardware. So, to make a long story short, it might be possible to not break things, but it's highly unlikely. What is ridiculous is the number of folks who just update their devices on day one without a thought that it might cause problems, especially if having their device functioning is important to them. So, if that's what you did, not a lot of sympathy.
I wonder how much innovation and development is being lost, as developers are forced to keep up with constant iOS bug fixing instead of adding new features to their apps. Let's face it most of the iOS updates are brought in to temp/force customers into buying a bigger/faster device. So much potential being lost to marketing strategies.
It doesn't have to be like this at all, the yearly OS updates are marketing driven. Apple are also very aggressive when it come to changing APIs and dropping support for older technologies.
Windows for all its faults is infinitely better at releasing updates that don't break backwards compatibility with older software, and Windows is much more complicated than iOS.
The yearly upgrade cycle with iOS is extremely disruptive and a real drag on productivity, it's also a major pain for developers.
Have to correct you there - the Win 7 update broke my versions of Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark xPress - all working happily on XP. I think that particular update cost me over 2 grand.
To some degree, updates and bugs are just part of computers. I don't know of any operating system that is any different.
My iOS 8.4 ran slow from day one on my brand new Air2, when compared to iOS 9. I've had very few problems so far with iOS 9.
I do think that there is some marketing and manipulation involved, but I can also see why Apple would prefer most users to be on the same iOS. Look at the fractured OS's with Android devices and the issues that causes.
Computing devices have a built in obsolete explode state at a certain age lol. The best we can do is buy device, load it with software we want to run and give it some TLC on occasion. Be aware that after a certain time, companies are not really going to support your device in any meaningful way. Use it to run legacy software until it reaches old age and passes on to computer heaven.
iOS was designed to be simple. Time, fashion and marketing have dictated that Apple have needed to add features. Adding features makes the OS more complex and in need of lots of change. Changing the OS makes it more likely that apps that are not kept up to date will have problems.
So we have a cycle. We desire more from iOS. Apple change iOS. Some App developers try to keep up, some don't. New devices are made to keep up with our greater demands. More powerful device..we then desire more from iOS and so on.
Yes all very simplified as economics, business and many other factors all play a part. To prevent the problems would almost be impossible if we still require more features and innovations. If the product remained static, eventually Apple would fall from exsistance and another super power would rise from the ashes.
As for if you should update, that's only for those who have the same device and situation to advise you.
I'm guessing you were running pretty old versions of those programs at the time, because I didn't experience any problems with Adobe programs when I went to Win 7. In fact I'm still running CS6 on one of my machines without any problems.
Is it that updating the apps to win 7 meant buying the newer versions perhaps?
Windows 10 is supposed to be the last release but im not sure what that looks like 5-10yrs down the line?
@DaveMagoo
Windows 10 is meant to be the last release to use the current model of a large change every few years. Windows will now be updated more frequently, similar to iOS.
ah, so we could be in for some of the same on Window too
We'll see, generally Windows is pretty good at being backwards compatible, and not breaking any reasonably current programs. iOS has become an annual nuisance where many things break with the new version. This year seems a little better than the previous couple of years at least.
To put things in perspective Win XP came out in 2001, Windows 7 was released in 2009, with Vista released in between in 2007. With 8 years between versions it's a little more understandable if some older software breaks.
would you flash a new , not heavily tested firmware to your favorite hardware synth ? It's the same thing with iOS .
Indeed and it was a year+ of "Developers, Windows 7 is a big change and is going to break stuff. Update your software". Vastly different from "Welcome to WWDC, here's the new OS. It's in early beta." in June and "The new OS is out" in September.
Like me, you probably have more than one iOS device. Both my mini 2 and iPod touch 5 were recently upgraded to the latest version 8 to take advantage of the compatibility minimum for some newer apps. My 16 gig iPad 3 is staying on iOS 7, simply because it runs well and is maxed out with just enough space left for content creation.
It wasn't that old, and I can't afford to spend thousands of pounds on new software every couple of years. I upgraded to CS3 and it's been pants - Photoshop in particular runs about a quarter of the speed of the previous version I was running on XP. Quark refused to run, full stop, so that was another £1800 or whatever it was then. I also lost use of a desktop scanner as Umax decided not to support Win 7 so the drivers no longer worked....so I had to spend £900 on a new scanner.
As a result I switched to a Mac and am using Affinity designer and Photo (about £30 each) which provide free updates.
Basically Windows updates are just as much, if not more hassle than iOS ones, and performance wise it's been a step backwards in my experience.
Ouch, that is a bad experience if ever i herd one
fair enough - we've had radically different experiences with Windows updates, but that can happen. Only problem I can remember was a scanner not being supported by Xp back in 2001, but in 20 years of running Windows I've really not experienced problems with new versions.
One thing puzzles me though, how come you were using Quark Xpress in 2009? I didn't even know they still made it.
You've been lucky then.
It's still being made. For years it's been the industry standard for print companies, though inDesign is probably more popular now. Most of the print companies we deal with still use Quark as their main software, so to avoid any inconsistencies with the output we use it when we can. Saying that though Affinity are bringing out a DTP app next year, and as Designer and Photo have been so good I'll be buying that, and probably moving to Mac full time. Our printers will have to put up with .pdf's.
Don't forget that most people do not experience issues with the updates- our synths and sequencers are most people's crossy road arcades that can pay for lattes at fivebucks. Audiobus? IAA? If they don't affect spotify and Netflix, most don't know what those even are. (Nor should they since they're not creating with iOS)
I think the best musicians can do is use caution and patience.
Interesting - last time I used Quark was probably 12-13 years or so ago, I thought InDesign had swept all before it.
Print companies don't update their software as regularly as other industries, as they'll have a lot of expertise and legacy files invested in it, so many smaller, older businesses will still be using it. inDesign has definitely increased their market share, but when I asked my printers what their preferred file format was for a print job I did last week, they still wanted Quark files.
Personally I prefer Quark to inDesign anyway, apart from the price - though that's dropped quite a bit recently.
@monzo: I need most of all the SKEW (transform) selection Photoshop has. Can you point me in some direction which Application has that? I was looking for years, but it's hard to find out about that feature... . Thanks, t
Windows 7, a superb iteration of the OS, IMO, but on release had very little drivers to ship with, probably the most stable framework Microsoft created and has since built upon, prior versions bring to mind the dreaded colour BLUE.
I find this quite profound, but let alone developers, 'can the Earth', sustain such a practice?
Affinity Photo might, I know they had mesh warp/perspective on their roadmap list...I'll have to check..
Sustainability went past the point of no return about ten years ago - hell in a handcart. It's all about the money...
I'd agree, but I'd say circa 1970's.
Yep.
To the original question: These update cycles are really relatively brutal for some developers who work close to a system level. A slower pace of change and obsolescence would be preferable, I think.
Over 50% of users are on iOS 9 already apple says, yesteryears stuff gets old pretty quick on iOS
talking about obsolescence.
Having the Apple hardware and software on an annual cycle is great for selling hardware until people get tired of having their setup jacked half the time. Plus it seems a proportion of apps and developers are lost with each version cycle. Really hope a less jarring way of dealing with upgrades for users and developers is planned for the future.
iOS developers and musicians would all benefit from a platform where you weren't concerned about the rug being pulled out from under you by a company more concerned with the short term latest/greatest perspective than how people want to use and build upon what they already have. As the tablet technology starts to plateau the way it's happened for desktops and laptops, so should the stability of iOS and apps.