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All i could add as a DJ who uses Serato DJ the DJ 808 is a dream come through for DJ , its a mix of finally bringing the DJ with Production on the fly using Serato DJ. There is midi clock in the 808 that will allow you to add external instruments to you DJ set up via a midi port and 2 USB port hub.
I would suspect also that with Roland know how on midi, Serato DJ would be gaining some much needed love in that area.
This is only the beginning, i suspect that there would be more products as time go by.
If you mean the last year rumor , pioneer did it
https://www.pioneerdj.com/en-us/product/production/toraiz-sp-16/black/overview/
@brambos ,nice UI ! Which app you used?
Totally agree about the digital section, it's very powerful. But you need an editor to understand the power . I was not impressed by the analog section ,maybe because the analog section passes thru the digital mixer ,but it sounds weak.
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...I was building it from scratch as an iPad app.
Pioneer didn't go any further than making a DJ sampler which is extremely limited compared to MPCs and other samplers. Also, the leaked sampler from Roland was supposed to have component modeling to sound like old 12 bit Akai and Emu samplers along with a few others. It would've been nice to see this unveiled today. But after waiting all these months, it's definitely safe to say it was a hoax.
I take my Nord Lead out of the closet for 'studio' photos. Something about keys and a stand that looks legit. Being a 'sound collage happy accidentist' I got way more use out of my Circuit the past few months than I did out of almost twenty years of my Nord Lead posing for photos.
Nice! It would certainly make a difference if you add preset&patch management and assign the values to standard midi CC for automation...If you ever finish it and need any beta testing send me a pm!
For me , it is my residual space cadet childhood ,
where I had assembled a spaceship console out of toy cashregisters & typewriters to pilot my starship into new galaxies , after watching Star Trek & Space1999 .
Yes the mobile comms tablet is great for reconnaissance missions to new planets , but to steer a ship through a meteor storm I need knobs & buttons not a finger on glass .
So whilst I agree as an Ipad user many of my apps make these hardware boxes seem limited to the point of silly in comparisons of features & functions , there is still something alluring about the tactile interface , something which makes me see it as an instrument .
So for the interface alone , nevermind the battery portability , I get the re-working of these Boutiques , more than the first batch , & particularly the TB-03 as alternative to the Aira desktop slab .
Confession : I am the idiot who declined a secondhand TB303 for £10 in the late 80s . I didn't really know what it was , & as a bassist was insulted at the thought . I regret not realising the possibilities of the box . It could have advanced my access to a mini studio by a few years & might have encouraged me into new genres /music opportunities that were emerging at the time that I otherwise missed.
So even with an ipad , a full hardware & computer studio , that TB-03 is tempting for my missed nostalgia .... I'd certainly take it off someone for a tenner .
I hope for th> @Rich303 said:
Sad but true. Roland is coming again... with virtual analogue organs and accordions with USB connection.
Yeah I was expecting to see a lot of new crap like that as well. But anyway, the TB-03 and the TR-09 might be worth looking into.
I am totally puzzled by all of this. The Aira range is top notch and perfectly adequate if you want that sort of thing... is it not?
Dear Roland - update your MIDI keyboard drivers, you doughnuts. Worse than Apple with the 'quick buy the new thing', thing.
Agree. It is puzzling.
All comes down to profit I guess.
All true, and yet there's still a part of me lusts after nice new shiny hardware...must resist...
I just wonder how tb-3 differs from tb-03 sound
Yeah, I'm sure they wanted to make something better than the Volca Bass and Volca Beats even if they cost more.
These are more limited than the Aira series which offer more sounds. I'm sure they'll be priced to sell for those that who only want 303 and 909 sounds.
Sound is probably the same. The TB-3 is already nigh indistinguishable from the real thing, so I doubt the TB-03 will be very different. The biggest difference is in the sequencer. The Aira TB-3 has a really accessible touch-screen interface which lets you program your basslines quite predictably and accurately. The TB-03 seems to have a much more true-to-the-original sequencer-from-hell, so your results will be much less predictable. I'm intrigued in this thing mostly because of the UI. I trust the sound will be good if they used the Aira TB as a starting point.
can't believe they didn't bring out a sampler.... gutted
Still waiting for news about rolandcloud.com...
$600AUD each, so like $1800 for the three.. Hmm.. Fk that
Ok, prices are up.. €399 for the TB-03, €449 for the TR-09.. I'm puzzled.. Both are more expensive than the Aira counterparts which are more fully featured.
Especially the TR-09.. Why get that over a TR-8 which also has the desirable 808 built-in and has a better user interface (and optional expansions with the excellent 707/727/606 ACB models)?
I guess I'm missing something here, so I'll wait for Nick Batt to give them a spin..
Overpriced BS! Oh it's got Roland monicker.
Exactly.. I think im gonna buy tr-8 and tb-3. Someday they might add 909 firmware
I can really recommend both. I'm a sucker for the 303 sound (I grew up on underground acid parties in empty factory buildings), so for me the TB-3 was a no-brainer, but that TR-8 is just absolutely stunning in every way. It has quickly become the centerpiece of my hardware setup. It's just so hands-on and fast and creative. The 606 and 7x7 extensions are also good, if you're into those sounds.
I'm very much on the fence about the TB-03. I want one, mostly to grind my teeth on that arcane sequencer and see how it affects the way I build patterns. But I'm not sure if I can rationally justify spending that amount of money on it. I'm hoping street prices will become a bit more sane before the product hits the shelves.
First in-depth look at the TB-03:
[warning: if you want to keep your sanity, stay out of the comments section which is pretty much troll-central]
Stopped watching after he states because it's got Roland on it, it makes all the difference, kind of confirms my earlier post.....marketing BS. It's just another emulation better, worse, that's subjective. But has to be better because it's got Roland written on it....
What exactly is bullshit about it, in your opinion? It seems to be a very authentic sounding 303 emulation, created by the guys who engineered the original - so having the Roland brand on it can objectively make a difference: they don't have to reverse-engineer, they know*. And now they even recreated the physical exterior and the user interface to give you the actual experience of programming the 303 like in the past. As you know, the workflow of this instrument's sequencer has quite an impact on what will come out of it.
And what goes on inside the box is not of my concern as long as what comes out of it sounds like a genuine TB-303. For all I care they recreate the sound by hitting rubber duckies with little hammers. Whether they are analog or digital duckies is moot, unless you are a purist - in which case you should go hunt down one of the originals and not settle for a clone in the first place.
I don't see a problem with the proposition itself, the price is the issue worth debating.
*) example: for the longest time reverse-engineers thought that the 303 had a 18dB 3pole filter, whereas Roland obviously knew all along this was not the case. It's simply a weird 24dB 4pole filter. Because they made the original.
Got to say, I'm impressed. I can see the point of both the TB03 and the original Aria version.
I was kind of expecting it to have motion/automation sequencing. It does sound very good though. It will all come down to price I suppose. Who wouldn't want one if they were cheap enough? I'm sure the price will come down in a few months like it always does..... I'll see what happens then.
I'm no analog purist, but they do have a place, a cynic maybe, but to open a marketing review by stating that a logo makes all the difference is pure ridiculousness, unless it's aimed at Roland purists. Now if engineering know-how was key, take two VA's from Novation, The Bass Station and it's VST counterpart, both from the same company and yet on certain patches different, you'd think that they'd get them near exact. The only true test would be a blind test, with the original and maybe several emulations. Now if you think it sounds better, then that's fine, some VA's do advance on the originals they emulate. At the end of the day a synth has to stand as a synth, not by it's logo.
Ok, fair enough. So you had issue with the reviewer then and not so much with the product I guess (he was not from Roland though, just a guy from some Australian music retail chain, iirc).