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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    You've got to do it all in FluxPad though, that's the deal. I'll let the cow samples go though...

    Nah, it's going to be the other way around. Many maudlin electrified cellos, a dead man playing a piano. And cow samples.

    Now you're talking!

    I know a guy here, writes his own music and does a lot of busking in South Wales. He gave me a couple of his tapes once, and they have the most amazing titles - real Dylan Thomas stuff....fantastic evocative titles that set the mind racing. Then when you listen to them they're all very similar sounding - badly recorded, mad, clattery Yamaha PCR tracks with him laughing, coughing and ranting over the top.

    I bumped into him busking once, and he had a cardboard box with a selection of his tapes for sale - £1 each. 'How do you copy them Paul?' I asked, as I hadn't noticed much kit in his flat. 'I don't, like' he replied. So basically he would record an hour or so of original music, and sell the only copy to strangers for a pound. I just find that really inspiring.

    F'n brilliant. If only the denizens of this forum published music as brilliant as their posts, I would listen enraptured. No joke.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    You've got to do it all in FluxPad though, that's the deal. I'll let the cow samples go though...

    Nah, it's going to be the other way around. Many maudlin electrified cellos, a dead man playing a piano. And cow samples.

    Now you're talking!

    I know a guy here, writes his own music and does a lot of busking in South Wales. He gave me a couple of his tapes once, and they have the most amazing titles - real Dylan Thomas stuff....fantastic evocative titles that set the mind racing. Then when you listen to them they're all very similar sounding - badly recorded, mad, clattery Yamaha PCR tracks with him laughing, coughing and ranting over the top.

    I bumped into him busking once, and he had a cardboard box with a selection of his tapes for sale - £1 each. 'How do you copy them Paul?' I asked, as I hadn't noticed much kit in his flat. 'I don't, like' he replied. So basically he would record an hour or so of original music, and sell the only copy to strangers for a pound. I just find that really inspiring.

    F'n brilliant. If only the denizens of this forum published music as brilliant as their posts, I would listen enraptured. No joke.

    Agreed! You first :)

  • Hello all guys.
    I'm too busy today but I will check all later.

    but I need to say 1 thing that

    "but not limited to".

    This writing was NOT COLLECT.

    FRUM only take "UIID".
    Actually this is not the device id.
    FRUM don't take any other informations from your deviced.
    Other informations are which all about FRUM (song data, photo for SNS, bio, comments,etc,,.)
    So, DEV TEAM is realized the privacy policy must be refreshed.
    Sorry for making you scared.
    And thanks for pointing out about this problem.

    I hope they don't use my naked selfies as their new splash screen.

    HAHAHAH.
    Cool idea for April fool.

  • @usk said:
    Hello all guys.
    I'm too busy today but I will check all later.

    but I need to say 1 thing that

    "but not limited to".

    This writing was NOT COLLECT.

    FRUM only take "UIID".
    Actually this is not the device id.
    FRUM don't take any other informations from your deviced.
    Other informations are which all about FRUM (song data, photo for SNS, bio, comments,etc,,.)
    So, DEV TEAM is realized the privacy policy must be refreshed.
    Sorry for making you scared.
    And thanks for pointing out about this problem.

    Some people have been watching Mr. Robot.....

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @richiehoop I copied across some of the tapes he was going to sell onto CD on my occasional visits, so he had copies. He hasn't got a CD player...but at least he has them, and has said he's happy for me to work on them or share them online so I can PM you a link if you're interested. Careful though, it's crazy stuff....

    Thanks very much, @MonzoPro -- please do.

    And I appreciate the warning, but I'm a veteran of crazy stuff. :D

  • Bit, despite reading of the apparent issues & lack of routing.
    Instantly tasty app - somewhat hobbled as it is.
    Please hook up the Audiobus asap !!!

  • edited September 2016

    @usk said:
    Hello all guys.
    I'm too busy today but I will check all later.

    but I need to say 1 thing that

    "but not limited to".

    This writing was NOT COLLECT.

    FRUM only take "UIID".
    Actually this is not the device id.
    FRUM don't take any other informations from your deviced.
    Other informations are which all about FRUM (song data, photo for SNS, bio, comments,etc,,.)
    So, DEV TEAM is realized the privacy policy must be refreshed.
    Sorry for making you scared.
    And thanks for pointing out about this problem.

    I hope they don't use my naked selfies as their new splash screen.

    HAHAHAH.
    Cool idea for April fool.

    Good to hear.

    @usk
    Would it be possible to raise the mixer faders up a bit and fit some solo, mute buttons under each? Looks like there is plenty of room.
    I removed the mute buttons to make space for the sound pads, but it would be nice to have those solo mutes on the mixer.

    Where should I send feedback like this? Should I post here?

  • Did a session last night recording via soundcard from one iPad to another into AudioShare and realizing that Frum is decidedly special: to an inexplicable degree amazing sounds seem to ooze out of this app.

    With Audiobus/IAA onboard Frum would be an ice cold assassin.

  • @Proppa said:
    Did a session last night recording via soundcard from one iPad to another into AudioShare and realizing that Frum is decidedly special: to an inexplicable degree amazing sounds seem to ooze out of this app.

    With Audiobus/IAA onboard Frum would be an ice cold assassin.

    I agree. Almost hit the refund button a couple times due to the closed system and needing the internet, etc, but decided to play with it one more time... was getting some really decent stuff that doesn't sound like anything I already have. I don't even have a knack for this kind of arrangement, yet surprised myself that I was actually getting some fun, listenable stuff. And, I've figured out almost all of the app now without having to watch a single demo or read instructions. Very intuitive. Sure wish they'd open it up and make it stand-alone.

  • @Proppa said:
    Did a session last night recording via soundcard from one iPad to another into AudioShare and realizing that Frum is decidedly special: to an inexplicable degree amazing sounds seem to ooze out of this app.

    With Audiobus/IAA onboard Frum would be an ice cold assassin.

    Looking forward to trying it on the weekend into Blocs. Wow, its like the old days of 'workin for the weekend'. :)

  • Must let us out.

  • edited September 2016

    I refunded - only the second time I've ever done this. Fun app, but I'm not comfortable with it in it's current format and have deleted it from my iPad. If they do make it a standalone app, and add some connectivity then I'll buy it again.

  • It does have that special element that makes you go "wow I can actually make good bleep bloop music" even if it's not your preferred genre. I say that as a positive.

  • edited September 2016

    @MonzoPro said:
    I refunded - only the second time I've ever done this. Fun app, but I'm not comfortable with it in it's current format and have deleted it from my iPad. If they do make it a standalone app, and add some connectivity then I'll buy it again.

    On principal I want a refund but damn, I want to hear those bleep blops run through Looperator and chopped in blocs.

  • Anybody figures an intra-iPad method to to extract sound from Frum Penitentiary, please alert us all.

  • I'd never Want a 'bus-less app and have avoided several for that reason but Frum is too good: If Audiobus is implemented I'll be over the moon and in the meantime find it rewarding enough to connect cables between devices and (try to) capture Frum's seemingly infinite lightning in a bottle.

  • @Proppa said:
    I'd never Want a 'bus-less app and have avoided several for that reason but Frum is too good: If Audiobus is implemented I'll be over the moon and in the meantime find it rewarding enough to connect cables between devices and (try to) capture Frum's seemingly infinite lightning in a bottle.

    I have ring-fenced it. Nothing worse than getting great sound you can't do much with. Grrrr... Still optimistic (as ever).

  • @Redo1 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    The scariest part there is the "but not limited to". So......this is saying potentially any and every kind of information on the device could be "collected"?

    Definitely boilerplate - Discogs has the same language (along w/ many others):
    https://www.discogs.com/help/doc/App_Privacy_Policy

    Copy/Paste Oversight perhaps - Not too tragic (how many apps flat out have no privacy policy? Does Apple provide guidance on privacy policy implementation as law is incredibly variegated? - Twitter has well over 1000 separate ones (for example).

    The internet requirement/closed platform though - that comports with more robust data aggregation - as do the other platforms using this policy.

    I can't see it being a syntactical error though - but I haven't searched rest of the policy text - if the rest is verbatim...
    .

  • edited September 2016

    @AudioGus said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I refunded - only the second time I've ever done this. Fun app, but I'm not comfortable with it in it's current format and have deleted it from my iPad. If they do make it a standalone app, and add some connectivity then I'll buy it again.

    On principal I want a refund but damn, I want to hear those bleep blops run through Looperator and chopped in blocs.

    It was a knee jerk reaction to discovering the automatic opt-in connection thingy, which bothered me from a security and privacy perspective, I like to know what I'm installing before I do so. It's only two quid, on reflection I should have just deleted it instead of getting a black mark on my account.

    Saying that though, I'm not convinced by what we've heard back that it'll change overnight. I've got some money ready for when it does, but could be a long wait...

  • @Ocsprey said:

    @Redo1 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    The scariest part there is the "but not limited to". So......this is saying potentially any and every kind of information on the device could be "collected"?

    Definitely boilerplate - Discogs has the same language (along w/ many others):
    https://www.discogs.com/help/doc/App_Privacy_Policy

    Copy/Paste Oversight perhaps - Not too tragic (how many apps flat out have no privacy policy? Does Apple provide guidance on privacy policy implementation as law is incredibly variegated? - Twitter has well over 1000 separate ones (for example).

    The internet requirement/closed platform though - that comports with more robust data aggregation - as do the other platforms using this policy.

    I can't see it being a syntactical error though - but I haven't searched rest of the policy text - if the rest is verbatim...
    .

    That one's more detailed which is helpful, and I'm guessing it shows you this info first before you install it.

    FRUM is probably no different to other web based apps -, they just mucked up by missing out the info on their store page and installer.

    Thing is, as someone who's spent the last twenty odd years building and hosting websites and web apps, I'm very fussy about what goes on my iPad - so when one sneaks on without telling me I get twitchy.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Ocsprey said:

    @Redo1 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    The scariest part there is the "but not limited to". So......this is saying potentially any and every kind of information on the device could be "collected"?

    Definitely boilerplate - Discogs has the same language (along w/ many others):
    https://www.discogs.com/help/doc/App_Privacy_Policy

    Copy/Paste Oversight perhaps - Not too tragic (how many apps flat out have no privacy policy? Does Apple provide guidance on privacy policy implementation as law is incredibly variegated? - Twitter has well over 1000 separate ones (for example).

    The internet requirement/closed platform though - that comports with more robust data aggregation - as do the other platforms using this policy.

    I can't see it being a syntactical error though - but I haven't searched rest of the policy text - if the rest is verbatim...
    .

    That one's more detailed which is helpful, and I'm guessing it shows you this info first before you install it.

    FRUM is probably no different to other web based apps -, they just mucked up by missing out the info on their store page and installer.

    Thing is, as someone who's spent the last twenty odd years building and hosting websites and web apps, I'm very fussy about what goes on my iPad - so when one sneaks on without telling me I get twitchy.

    Relax, you're SAFE now

  • @soundklinik said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Ocsprey said:

    @Redo1 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    The scariest part there is the "but not limited to". So......this is saying potentially any and every kind of information on the device could be "collected"?

    Definitely boilerplate - Discogs has the same language (along w/ many others):
    https://www.discogs.com/help/doc/App_Privacy_Policy

    Copy/Paste Oversight perhaps - Not too tragic (how many apps flat out have no privacy policy? Does Apple provide guidance on privacy policy implementation as law is incredibly variegated? - Twitter has well over 1000 separate ones (for example).

    The internet requirement/closed platform though - that comports with more robust data aggregation - as do the other platforms using this policy.

    I can't see it being a syntactical error though - but I haven't searched rest of the policy text - if the rest is verbatim...
    .

    That one's more detailed which is helpful, and I'm guessing it shows you this info first before you install it.

    FRUM is probably no different to other web based apps -, they just mucked up by missing out the info on their store page and installer.

    Thing is, as someone who's spent the last twenty odd years building and hosting websites and web apps, I'm very fussy about what goes on my iPad - so when one sneaks on without telling me I get twitchy.

    Relax, you're SAFE now

    I hadn't heard that one, I like The Residents :)

    Just reading about the Yahoo hack....still twitchy...

  • edited September 2016

    FRUM is probably no different to other web based apps -, they just mucked up by missing out the info on their store page and installer.

    Thing is, as someone who's spent the last twenty odd years building and hosting websites and web apps, I'm very fussy about what goes on my iPad - so when one sneaks on without telling me I get twitchy.

    Yeah, I don't worry about it as an individual - worked in cybersecurity policy for many years. The issues on the meta front, though, are important I think -

    Here's Apple's Dev guidance on Subscription Models: I bolded a few significant parts.

    3.1.2 Subscriptions: Apps may offer auto-renewing in-app purchase subscriptions, regardless of category on the App Store. When incorporating auto-renewable subscriptions into your app, be sure to follow the guidelines below.

    3.1.2(a) Permissible uses: **If you offer an auto-renewing subscription, you must provide ongoing value to the customer. While the following list is not exhaustive, examples of appropriate subscriptions include: new game levels; episodic content; multi-player support; apps that offer consistent, substantive updates; access to large collections of, or continually updated, media content; software as a service (“SAAS”); and cloud support. **
    In addition:

    Subscriptions may be offered alongside a la carte offerings (e.g. you may offer a subscription to an entire library of films as well the purchase or rental of a single movie).

    You may offer a single subscription that is shared across your own apps, but these subscriptions may not extend to third party apps or services. Subscriptions must work on all of the user’s devices where the app is available. Learn more about sharing a subscription across your apps.

    Apps must not force users to rate the app, review the app, download other apps, or other similar actions in order to access functionality, content, or use of the app.

    As with all apps, those offering subscriptions should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc.

    Subscriptions may not include consumable credits, gems, in-game currencies, etc., even when combined with other offerings, but you may offer subscriptions that include access to discounted consumable goods (e.g. a platinum membership that exposes gem-packs for a reduced price).

    If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription model for new customers.
    3.1.2(b) Upgrades and Downgrades: Users should have a seamless upgrade/downgrade experience and should not be able to inadvertently subscribe to multiple variations of the same thing. Review best practices on managing your subscription upgrade and downgrade options.

    3.1.2(c) Subscription Information: Before asking a customer to subscribe, you should clearly describe what the user will get for the price. How many issues per month? How much cloud storage? What kind of access to your service? Also ensure you clearly communicate the requirements described in Schedule 2 of your agreement in Agreements, Tax, and Banking.

    3.1.3 Content-based “Reader” Apps: Apps may allow a user to access previously purchased content or content subscriptions (specifically: magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, video, access to professional databases, VoIP, cloud storage, and approved services such as educational apps that manage student grades and schedules), provided the app does not direct users to a purchasing mechanism other than IAP.

    3.1.4 Content Codes: Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. In limited circumstances, such as when features are dependent upon specific hardware to function, the app may unlock that functionality without using in-app purchase (e.g. an astronomy app that adds features when synced with a telescope). App features that work in combination with an approved physical product (such as a toy) on an optional basis may unlock functionality without using IAP, provided that an IAP option is available as well. You may not, however, require users to purchase unrelated products or engage in advertising or marketing activities to unlock app functionality.

    3.1.5 Physical Goods and Services Outside of the App: If your app enables people to purchase goods or services that will be consumed outside of the app, you must use purchase methods other than IAP to collect those payments, such as Apple Pay or traditional credit card entry. Apps may facilitate transmission of approved virtual currencies (e.g. Bitcoin, DogeCoin) provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions.

    3.1.6 Apple Pay: Apps using Apple Pay must provide all material purchase information to the user prior to sale of any good or service and must use Apple Pay branding and user interface elements correctly, as described in the Apple Pay Identity Guidelines and Human Interface Guidelines.

    Apps using Apple Pay to offer recurring payments must, at a minimum, disclose the following information:
    The length of the renewal term and the fact that it will continue until canceled
    What will be provided during each period
    The actual charges that will be billed to the customer
    How to cancel

    3.2 Other Business Model Issues
    The lists below are not exhaustive, and your submission may trigger a change or update to our policies, but here are some additional do’s and don’ts to keep in mind:

    3.2.1 Acceptable

    (i) Displaying your own apps for purchase or promotion within your app, provided the app is not merely a catalog of your apps.

    (ii) Displaying or recommending a collection of third party apps that are designed for a specific approved need (e.g. health management, aviation, accessibility). Your app should provide robust editorial content so that it doesn’t seem like a mere storefront.

    (iii) Disabling access to specific approved rental content (e.g. films, television programs, music, books) after the rental period has expired; all other items and services may not expire.

    (iv) Wallet passes can be used to make or receive payments, transmit offers, or offer identification (such as movie tickets, coupons, and VIP credentials). Other uses may result in the rejection of the app and the revocation of Wallet credentials.

    (v) Insurance apps must be free, in legal-compliance in the regions distributed, and cannot use IAP.

    3.2.2 Unacceptable

    (i) Creating an interface for displaying third party apps, extensions, or plug-ins similar to the App Store or as a general-interest collection.

    (ii) Monetizing built-in capabilities provided by the hardware or operating system, such as Push Notifications, the camera, or the gyroscope; or Apple services, such as Apple Music access or iCloud storage.

    (iii) Artificially increasing the number of impressions or click-throughs of ads, as well as apps that are designed predominantly for the display of ads.

    (iv) Collecting funds within the app for charities and fundraisers. Apps that seek to raise money for such causes must be free on the App Store and may only collect funds outside of the app, such as via Safari or SMS.

    (v) Arbitrarily restricting who may use the app, such as by location or carrier.

    (vi) Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc. Apps should not force users to rate the app, review the app, download other apps, or take other similar actions in order to access functionality, content, or use of the app.

  • I have my hat all is well.

  • edited September 2016

    Yep got this now, really good FM noises but really hope it gets Link and all the rest :) @usk

    ps how do you add more than one instrument per track?

    It has midi in too, this means with modstep it's sort of Linkified already :)
    although no background audio means it only really works if you use another device to send midi to it. And then you can't seem to record to the built in sequencer. Not sure if it receives CCs for automation. another request to add @usk

    edit: Yes it receives CCs too, this gets better and better, not sure how many its got yet but as a remote controlled drum module it's really great.

  • @Carnbot said:
    Yep got this now, really good FM noises but really hope it gets Link and all the rest :) @usk

    ps how do you add more than one instrument per track?

    Under the Settings gear set Pad Division to On

  • @anickt said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Yep got this now, really good FM noises but really hope it gets Link and all the rest :) @usk

    ps how do you add more than one instrument per track?

    Under the Settings gear set Pad Division to On

    great thanks :)

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I have my hat all is well.

    LoL

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I have my hat all is well.

    Johnny - Maine has changed you...

  • You could > @Proppa said:

    I'd never Want a 'bus-less app and have avoided several for that reason but Frum is too good: If Audiobus is implemented I'll be over the moon and in the meantime find it rewarding enough to connect cables between devices and (try to) capture Frum's seemingly infinite lightning in a bottle.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I have my hat all is well.

    Comes with Link or AB ?

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