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Bye Bye MacBook Pro--Hello iOS


As an all iOS user I couldn't help but harken up when I heard this podcast . Leo has a great show on tech. I can't remember where exactly but somewhere in here he bashes the new MacBook and hints on some info that Apple maybe abandoning the MacBook all together in favor of focusing on iOS.. Some 3D virtual reality iOS apps and capabilities are already in the works.. Stck with your Auria Pros , Gadgets, Sampletanks and Thunbjams friends. The end is near for "The other side".. Wer'e catching up quick.. Our somewhat collective contrarian tendencies may come home to roost and finally pay off handsomely

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  • I changed the battery in my MacBook this weekend and she is running like new! I love my iOS apps and can't wait to integrate them with my Mac but to be honest MacBook Pro with Maschine and NI Komplete plus a few other vst's and and good sample library could keep me busy for the rest of my life!

  • I dont think ios can compete with desktop for years, and it will require the ability to use a mouse + keyboard AND a proper file system. Not saying that you couldnt do wonderful things with ipad, and for some stuff the touch screen interface does work wonderfully, but a proper full daw is not one of the things.

  • @ToMess said:
    I dont think ios can compete with desktop for years, and it will require the ability to use a mouse + keyboard AND a proper file system. Not saying that you couldnt do wonderful things with ipad, and for some stuff the touch screen interface does work wonderfully, but a proper full daw is not one of the things.

    >

    At the moment. The frustrating thing is, all the obstacles to IOS taking over the laptop market could be swept away in one bold move, if Apple wanted it that way.

    An iPad Pro with 500gb drive as standard, and 8gb ram, plus inputs for keyboard, Midi devices and an SD slot. All of that and more could very easily be included. Add a version of Parallels able to run Mac apps in some kind of coherence mode, and the laptop would be dead in the water.

  • @ToMess said:
    I dont think ios can compete with desktop for years, and it will require the ability to use a mouse + keyboard AND a proper file system. Not saying that you couldnt do wonderful things with ipad, and for some stuff the touch screen interface does work wonderfully, but a proper full daw is not one of the things.

    Really don't agree with this. I looked at getting a desktop/laptop DAW recently and in truth the extra features that would afford me were actually surprisingly few. In the end I decided it would be more sensible to save myself a lot of money and stay on iOS. (I own Reaper already but I only use it for work purposes, because I don't really enjoy it).

    I see no advantage in using a keyboard or mouse in audio or MIDI editing. Both of those tasks can be done equally well with touch in Auria compared to with a mouse in Reaper.

    The only advantage of the desktop is the greater choice of huge instrument and sample libraries, but that's changing slowly (see Colosus piano for example). In terms of features in DAWs we very close to parity, Auria is just missing a couple of things like comping/track folders and an arrangement track.

    The file system is easy enough to work around using Audioshare or even better with Dropbox.

  • @richardyot said:

    @ToMess said:
    I dont think ios can compete with desktop for years, and it will require the ability to use a mouse + keyboard AND a proper file system. Not saying that you couldnt do wonderful things with ipad, and for some stuff the touch screen interface does work wonderfully, but a proper full daw is not one of the things.

    Really don't agree with this. I looked at getting a desktop/laptop DAW recently and in truth the extra features that would afford me were actually surprisingly few. In the end I decided it would be more sensible to save myself a lot of money and stay on iOS. (I own Reaper already but I only use it for work purposes, because I don't really enjoy it).

    I see no advantage in using a keyboard or mouse in audio or MIDI editing. Both of those tasks can be done equally well with touch in Auria compared to with a mouse in Reaper.

    The only advantage of the desktop is the greater choice of huge instrument and sample libraries, but that's changing slowly (see Colosus piano for example). In terms of features in DAWs we very close to parity, Auria is just missing a couple of things like comping/track folders and an arrangement track.

    The file system is easy enough to work around using Audioshare or even better with Dropbox.

    Great points here, Richardyot: Ever try to sit through loading of mass sample libraries though? It ain't fun.. If I max out Samoletank it'll still take me hours to go through the sounds, not to mention Gadget, etc.

  • iOS is not paired to macOS but I don't make the things the same neither (workflow). After years of mess with Ableton and logic without result (I started seriously with Fruity 0.whatever and even before with trackers) I started again to make something thanks to apps like blocs, garageband, AUM, LoopyHd, GTL... and all legal and affordable (iMini, iPolysix...). Not perfect but lightweight workflow compared to desktop sincerely.

    The point is Apple has getting into prosumerism more and more since iPhone born. It's not leaving desktop users blow in water but the gap is bigger everyday goes and the market thin. In the dreaming world of anybody carrying an iOS device very few will need "pro" features that you can't find in the right apps and a lot of people will just take fun and do their amateur media (but better crafted than psuedopro on desktop) faster and shared with familiy and friends. That's what music was for and Apple knows well.

  • @richardyot said:
    The only advantage of the desktop is the greater choice of huge instrument and sample libraries,

    >

    Something that Apple could easily change. Either by adding more storage and RAM to iPads, allowing SD card storage, or even using wireless external drives. If they want to go down this route. It requires a small revolution in thinking, and a financial commitment. Neither of which Apple seems willing to do at present.

  • @richardyot said:

    Really don't agree with this. I looked at getting a desktop/laptop DAW recently and in truth the extra features that would afford me were actually surprisingly few. In the end I decided it would be more sensible to save myself a lot of money and stay on iOS. (I own Reaper already but I only use it for work purposes, because I don't really enjoy it).

    I see no advantage in using a keyboard or mouse in audio or MIDI editing. Both of those tasks can be done equally well with touch in Auria compared to with a mouse in Reaper.

    The only advantage of the desktop is the greater choice of huge instrument and sample libraries, but that's changing slowly (see Colosus piano for example). In terms of features in DAWs we very close to parity, Auria is just missing a couple of things like comping/track folders and an arrangement track.

    The file system is easy enough to work around using Audioshare or even better with Dropbox.

    Well i used ableton before i moved to ios(used cubasis first as the daw, then auria pro), but then moved back to ableton because ipad simply cant do what i want to do, or then its just way too much hassle. Also i bought ableton push, and that kind of thing just isnt available for ios.

    For example i have this drum rack in my default template on ableton which i loaded with 16 simpler instances. I can just drag and drop samples on the different instances, edit the different samples with great accuracy, either from the push controller, or with mouse(its really hard to do that with fingers, since the what ever thing you try to adjust usually moves when lifting the finger). I can make the different instances to be gated(so that the sample gets triggered only the time i keep the button pushed on my controller) and some of them go through the sample without having to hold down the button. Also i can adjust the sample to be played first to the beginning and then looping a part of it, so that i can make things ring out as long as i want them to. I can warp different samples, differently, or for example have multiple samples of the same thing time warped differently. I can add filters or lfo to them in second. etc etc And not to mention that i can use the pushes drum sequencer to sequence the samples, and easily move them along the grid with the nudge button on the sequencer.

    Firstly ofc nothing that comes even close to ableton push exists for ios. Well, try doing rest of the stuff on ipad and then add them to what ever project you have on in your daw. And try going back and changing the sample sequence or tweak something just a bit. Especially if the what ever you want to sample is on youtube..

    Oh and i have effectrix and arp loaded on the same track as the simpler drum rack, so i can just switch them on if i want to use them. And this simpler drum rack thing is by no means only thing i have loaded on my default template.

    And this is just one example of the many dozens of things i can do on ableton. And for example i have my traktor control f1 midi controller set up so that some of the buttons send midi messages(that doesent come to my daw) to keyboard maestro(can create macros with it) which change templates of the controller editor of it, so i can change between 7 templates with a push of a button. Some of the templates are the same, but only knobs and faders change, some are for example a template that controls dm2(on ipad connected to ableton). I have been thinking of creating something that i can control all knobs of model 15 on ipad with the 4 faders and knobs that the controller has, and play it with the pads ofc.

    Like i said, ios can do stuff, but it cant do a lot of stuff, and doing a lot of stuff is just way too much hassle. Many people get along with ios daws just fine, but they dont do things that you could do on lets say ableton, and many of them have nerves of steel for using the file system.

    I think where ios really shines are stuff like blocs wave. That thing is golden if you hook up a guitar to it, much better than loopers on desktop. Also ofc there are great synths, sound banks, effects etc for ios for great prices. I do use my ipad as a sound bank(isymphonic, poison 202 for example are pure gold imo), and also use drum machines(dm2 mostly) on it. And i use it as an effect processor for hardware. I dont think ipad is bad for making music, its just VERY limited compared to desktop. I dont like to use ready made sample libraries, and i dont think ios is lacking on synths and that stuff, there are more than enough good synths and instruments for ios. Also what ever drum hit samples etc you might want, you could just put them to dropbox or google drive. And keyboard shortcuts do make things quite a bit faster.

  • @ToMess fair enough - but i think that's not really iOS versus desktop that you are talking about, but simply Ableton vs. more traditional DAWs.

    I'm not really into sampling and clip launching, so when I looked at desktop DAWs I was looking at Studio One and other more traditional DAWs, and I found to my surprise that most of their features were already in Auria.

    So if someone releases an Ableton-like DAW maybe those issues you have might get addressed, I don't think there's any major technical hurdles there.

  • @Nkersov said:

    At the moment. The frustrating thing is, all the obstacles to IOS taking over the laptop market could be swept away in one bold move, if Apple wanted it that way.

    An iPad Pro with 500gb drive as standard, and 8gb ram, plus inputs for keyboard, Midi devices and an SD slot. All of that and more could very easily be included. Add a version of Parallels able to run Mac apps in some kind of coherence mode, and the laptop would be dead in the water.

    Yea i dont think thats going to happen anytime soon. I think a macbook with touch screen and removable keyboard will come before that. And apple has stated that they wont do a touch screen laptop, as they want to keep ipad and laptops as different devices. Imo it would be better for ipad music if they made ipad flawlessly compatible and properly connected with desktop. Like imagine a big ipad pro connected to desktop so that you could mirror your desktop daw to it, use mouse with the apps, drag and drop stuff both ways, and build your own midi controllers(like you can on lemur) for it etc etc

  • More is better.

    Why are people so eager to limit what they use?

    I still use Sony Acid for easy loop editing and pitch/BPM shifting. I also love me some P O-12.

    I like Ableton on PC for just hearing new combos of loops or new MIDI sequences on my PC while do other computer things.

    IOS still is majority of time, but, I never say no to any chance to make music.

    Limits are that. Limits.

  • Apple will NEVER EVER make a MacBook with a touch screen. Don't you think they would have done so by now? As soon as the IPad Pro is bumped up to 8gig RAM, we will start to see a sea change.. Also is Samplr is ever updated, that would be a huge boon to iOS. Interesting seeing these different approaches to workflow and I must confess I've never actually owned a laptop so it might just be the Luddite in me that made me go for the IPad Pro. That said , I can only imagine Cubasis 3 and 4, as well as Auria Pro 3, nit to mention Gadget in two years. Add to that ,the new Beathawk when it it comes out as well as Beatmaker 3.. I will soon have way more tools than my meager talent warrants.

  • Yep my meagre talents are pretty well catered by iOS apps. I am pissed off with iOS as a whole though. I've spent so much time lately trying to stop my iPad from forcing me to update to 10.1.1. It downloaded without being asked. Asks me to update, but only gives me the choice of yes or later. Then I have to agree to later update or can't do anything. Then I have to cancel the auto update again. It's so u professional grrr

  • I could have bought a new MacBook. Choose the iPad instead. Because Auria (plus all the good FabFilters).

  • @Telstar5 said:

    Great points here, Richardyot: Ever try to sit through loading of mass sample libraries though? It ain't fun.. If I max out Samoletank it'll still take me hours to go through the sounds, not to mention Gadget, etc.

    If you are using Kontakt, you can do a "batch resave" and enormous sample libraries will load in seconds. You only have to do this once. A lot of composers use solid state drives.

  • people put up with so much ridiculousness on iOS that they would never put up with on a macbook... they simply are not comparable.

  • edited November 2016

    @kobamoto said:
    people put up with so much ridiculousness on iOS that they would never put up with on a macbook... they simply are not comparable.

    I know. However, iOS daws do completely destroy desktop daws at... uh, running on an iPad. ;)

    Mouse/keyboard/multiple monitors = yummy!

  • @kobamoto said:
    people put up with so much ridiculousness on iOS that they would never put up with on a macbook... they simply are not comparable.

    Completely agree.

  • I've had many MacBooks. I wanted to want the new MBP. I am very content with my iPad Pro.

  • Problem is I like touching things....I see a screen I want to touch it

  • I wanted to like the new MacBooks too, but I wanted an 11" version which they do not make, I've currently got an 13" and it's fine but I leave it at home. The 11" airbook is my fav of all time, you just don't want to put it down.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    I will soon have way more tools than my meager talent warrants.

    >

    That happened to me ages ago, but I try to bear up under the strain. ;)

  • @kobamoto said:
    I wanted to like the new MacBooks too, but I wanted an 11" version which they do not make, I've currently got an 13" and it's fine but I leave it at home. The 11" airbook is my fav of all time, you just don't want to put it down.

    Yes. I bought an 11" 2011 macbook air used 3 months ago for $400, needed a new ssd, so wound up $500 total. It was meant for only paperwork for work to replace an old netbook, however I love using this machine, it's so much faster than my mac mini, which still has its original hard drive but 16gb ram to the air 's 4gb. The air has the i7 in it. I do a lot of live recording from a Yamaha m7cl, which sadly has to be on a windows machine, but I have been recording to reaper, then just moving the session to the macbook air and mixing on there without any hiccups.

    I bought music io yesterday on sale and look forward to using iPad and macbook together. I did it with the lightning cable before, which is cool, but now I can use it to send and return with iPad.

  • The idea of ever relying solely on iOS with it's limited file system lock down fills me with horror, never mind how great the software is for creativity.

  • @Carnbot said:
    The idea of ever relying solely on iOS with it's limited file system lock down fills me with horror, never mind how great the software is for creativity.

    I use Dropbox as my file system (and I also do the same on the desktop, for insurance against theft or a house fire).

  • I have a 2009 macbook souped up with RAM and running Ableton pretty well. But.... It get's nothing like the use of my IPAD pro, jam packed full of music apps. I do tend to complete tracks more often with Ableton though. I send lots of audio clips to Dropbox for later use in ableton which lets me pretend Im being productive and not just mucking around

  • @richardyot said:

    @Carnbot said:
    The idea of ever relying solely on iOS with it's limited file system lock down fills me with horror, never mind how great the software is for creativity.

    I use Dropbox as my file system (and I also do the same on the desktop, for insurance against theft or a house fire).

    What if dropbox burns down or gets stolen.

  • @kobamoto said:
    I wanted to like the new MacBooks too, but I wanted an 11" version which they do not make, I've currently got an 13" and it's fine but I leave it at home. The 11" airbook is my fav of all time, you just don't want to put it down.

    What about the MacBook 12" ? It's about the same size as an 11" Air, yet has more screen real estate, and it's fanless, no noise, less stuff to break.

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I wanted to like the new MacBooks too, but I wanted an 11" version which they do not make, I've currently got an 13" and it's fine but I leave it at home. The 11" airbook is my fav of all time, you just don't want to put it down.

    Yes. I bought an 11" 2011 macbook air used 3 months ago for $400, needed a new ssd, so wound up $500 total. It was meant for only paperwork for work to replace an old netbook, however I love using this machine, it's so much faster than my mac mini, which still has its original hard drive but 16gb ram to the air 's 4gb. The air has the i7 in it. I do a lot of live recording from a Yamaha m7cl, which sadly has to be on a windows machine, but I have been recording to reaper, then just moving the session to the macbook air and mixing on there without any hiccups.

    I bought music io yesterday on sale and look forward to using iPad and macbook together. I did it with the lightning cable before, which is cool, but now I can use it to send and return with iPad.

    I think that's the one I've got, it's perfect.

    @Srcer I haven't checked that one out, I wonder how it feels. Fanless sounds great... I had purchased the 13"airbook before the 11" and it was terrible, felt like using an app that won't go portrait, will have to check the 12" out

  • @kobamoto said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    @kobamoto said:
    I wanted to like the new MacBooks too, but I wanted an 11" version which they do not make, I've currently got an 13" and it's fine but I leave it at home. The 11" airbook is my fav of all time, you just don't want to put it down.

    Yes. I bought an 11" 2011 macbook air used 3 months ago for $400, needed a new ssd, so wound up $500 total. It was meant for only paperwork for work to replace an old netbook, however I love using this machine, it's so much faster than my mac mini, which still has its original hard drive but 16gb ram to the air 's 4gb. The air has the i7 in it. I do a lot of live recording from a Yamaha m7cl, which sadly has to be on a windows machine, but I have been recording to reaper, then just moving the session to the macbook air and mixing on there without any hiccups.

    I bought music io yesterday on sale and look forward to using iPad and macbook together. I did it with the lightning cable before, which is cool, but now I can use it to send and return with iPad.

    I think that's the one I've got, it's perfect.

    @Srcer I haven't checked that one out, I wonder how it feels. Fanless sounds great... I had purchased the 13"airbook before the 11" and it was terrible, felt like using an app that won't go portrait, will have to check the 12" out

    Let me know what you think. I'm torn myself. The 12" is maybe a bit underpowered for some programming work, but oh so portable! The new MacBook Pros with the Touch Bar are smaller and lighter than their replacements, and still quite powerful, but not fanless, and maybe not quite portable enough.

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