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So said the drummer to the bass player
@AndyPlankton
You could save your money until the next DPP update as that sounds like it might be tempting.
DPP is pretty hard work, compared to other apps like Drum Session and especially the Luis Martinez apps. But it does offer a lot more options, especially with timing (love the way you can shift beats forwards or backwards) and samples.
You just have to program every fill and change yourself, which is pretty time-consuming. Whenever I do this this, I never mange to get it sounding as natural as Soft Drummer/Funk Drummer, which actually sound like someone is playing the drums.
Yeah lets be honest @AndyPlankton, I think you're a bit like me and like things to happen quickly for the most part
Do any of the Luis Martinez apps do decent reggae ?
It is the 'natural' feel that I am after from an app, but want this as MIDI and not audio so I can use a player/ sounds of my own choosing.
My other option would be to reinstall Auria and get a plug in, but this would be for post processing which I am not doing an awful lot of at the moment.
To save on headaches I find Drum Session to be the easiest and best way period. I like rock drum machine fairly well but Drum session gives me the control
I want together with the ease of use to get things moving quickly and efficiently every time. DPP sounds good enough but it is no secret that it is a pain in the ass to program anything with.
I think the way I would try and use an app would be to download some of the flat and sequenced sounding free drum midi files available on the net, and then spruce them up with the app, and then use the app for stringing patterns together......this is what I would currently do with a sequencer.....so how would these apps help with that......currently I don't think any of them have reggae or ska loops built in.
Drum Session outputs it's midi so you can edit also.
Programming drums is my least favourite part of the process, so I often leave them sounding flat and repetitive.
I'm currently 60/40 in favour of DPP as in the long run it is the detail I will want to get into, and any work I do on patterns in there I can use elsewhere, which with a sequencer would take a lot more effort.
Okay, so today I grabbed DDP, Drum Session and Drumagog. I'll have to have a proper play with them all but initial impressions:
DDP: Not the best of UIs, and you'll have to do most of the programming, but offers the most features. At least it has a step sequencer for programming MIDI drums which is seriously lacking, even on desktop (IE. Step sequencer->Superior Drums).
I'll probably use this mainly for manual programming, time will tell.
Drum Session: Haven't had enough time with it yet, but it seems to be like EZDrummer lite; lots of midi patterns, various kits (pre-processed), however, I don't think I'd really use its included samples for a professional release.
Drumagog: Seems to be just like the desktop version, which is neat. I plan to mainly use this to replace the kit sounds I export from another app (still have to test its MIDI-in capability so I can just trigger it with a MIDI track). I also have some premium .gog libraries on my desktop, so it'll be interesting to hear how they perform on my iPad (mini 2).
Overall I'd say that the sounds included with these apps are pretty poor, really reminds me of the Toontrack early days (Drums From Hell) - the cymbals being even worse, hi-hats are a tricky beast.
I'd say that right now my best option is Drumagog or spend the time to build my kits in DDP from my collection of sample libraries (wavs). The former sounds much easier atm, but I'm still very new to this iOS music-game. The latter would allow me to build custom kits etc., which could include the cymbals, so that's certainly a viable option.
Desktop libraries should be fully compatible with the iOS version. Except for hihat tracking. I have a few desktop libraries loaded into Auria Drumagog and they work perfectly. Also if you bought the plugin inside Auria you can email WML and they will send you some additional samples, including more cymbals.
Sweet, happen to know that email address @richardyot ?
Included with original purchase
Dug it out of my gmail: [email protected]
Awesome, already purchased. I wouldn't mind like 1gb lib of solid rock kit samples.
Thanks buddy!
@DerekBuddemeyer, do you have a listing of the patterns currently included or at least a summary of how many pattern groups/genres? It would be interesting to see the variety you're offering. If I missed this from a previous thread, please redirect me.
Realistic human touch ? No doubts... Funk Drummer
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/funk-drummer/id1051262865?mt=8
Soft Drummer for brushes / rods / hands
There are over 3500 patterns spread over 10 or 11 genres
3500?? Wow, not bad, congrats ...
But ... really doing some maths ...
The Jam Algorithm in Funk Drummer can do variations for each bar based on the same groove. Being very conservative, let's assume 100 different patterns variations per groove.
100 * (+150 grooves) = +15000 (without counting generated fills ... )
Gentlemen, you both have great drum apps. I wouldn't want to be without either, nor could I recommend one particularly over another. You're both up there in the 90th + percentile of the current 'state of the iOS market'.
Let's not lose focus here guys. While it's important to improve the included midi/grooves etc. I think most of us here are more interested in the samples provided without them sounding cheap or plastic.
I love all of Luis' drum apps!!!!
Can't live with out them and now I also am so glad Drum Session is here. These are the most amazing creative drum apps ever in IOS!!!!
DPP is amazing as well! I truly hope They all continue to be super successful!
@LuisMartinez Any way to export individual audio stems from RDM, or is it just a single MIDI track? Also, it is stuck to 4/4 time signature?
Still it's great to learn more details about these apps. I have been disappointed many times buying apps who get great cheers here - until the next one comes out. Or, with promises of updates and features that take months and months to deliver. App Store descriptions are rarely descriptive enough and developers websites point you back to the AppStore. If I had to consider Drum Session without Derek's presence here, well I wouldn't have considered it.
Also, thanks @LuisMartinez for chiming in. Now is a perfect time for me to learn more about your products.
All but DDP lack time signature adjustments and audio multiout afaik. Shame DDP's samples plain suck (Drum Session sounds best here, even if preprocessed).
Which is where DM1 comes in. Not the best sonic quality but meaty and thick which sits in a mix a little better for me.