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Apple AUs on iOS (please help to improve music making on iOS)

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  • edited January 2017

    Live could be so easy. :D
    Those AUs would take care of a lot of my needs, auto backup my presets to the free iCloud, thx.

  • @yug said:

    @firejan82 said:

    @yug said:
    You can use them in zMors Modular. AFAIK, it's the only app supporting those AUs

    Could I load the zMors Modular into effect slot of Audiobus and load the AUPitch into zMors Modular to treat the audio from Audiobus input with it?

    It does not support AudioBus, only IAA

    I see, so the same scenario but AudioShare or AUM instead of Audiobus, would that work?

  • I bet they'll show up in GarageBand iOS - one per year for the the next 10 years or so

  • edited January 2017

    I'm unsure how to deal with this. :#

    And why it hasn't been implemented in the usual playgrounds already.
    (This really makes me scratch my head)
    Why do I have to go around begging for this?

    What the fuck is going on?

  • n-Track studio DAW has access to the au effects. It's interesting being able to use them when I feel the need (or for variety).

  • edited January 2017

    lol so there are two apps that support this
    It's a sad joke.
    Every developer knows about this.
    The conclusion why this has not been implemented everywhere is money grab?
    Aargh, fools.
    We aren't moving the platform further with that kind of attitude if you want to sell me every little bit of code that is just laying there waiting to be used.

    I could implode just now. :#

  • Is the AUPitch unit the same as the Pitch Shifter effect native to Logic Pro X?


  • Wtf....To use them you must load the AU inside an IAA instrument inside a host...

  • I think Ferrite shows these apple AU (haven't try it myself) but I have heard from actual user that it seems to show system AUs

    I didn't know these AU have no UI, so it most have been added by the developer of ferrite.

    I have to check this app now...

  • Some of this could very well be caused by the 'Not invented here' syndrome.

    For some developers it might be more 'interesting' to re-invent the wheel and 'bake' their own DSP code instead of using what Apple provides with the OS.

    The lack of missing AU's in music apps is a big if not a bigger mystery than the slowish adaptation of iCloudDrive/iOS-DocumentPicker.

    I do admit that I'm not a huge fan of the AUSampler GUI and much prefer to use ESX24 to bake my instruments.
    (And yes, AUSampler can use ESX24 patches without major issues).

    Time will tell what happens...

  • edited January 2017

    @Sebastian @Michael
    **Wir werden hier nach Strich und Faden verarscht. **
    go kick some butt.
    I'm to upset to talk to someone about this now.

  • edited January 2017

    So what now pussycat?
    I'm not going to buy any Au fx that smells like this.
    And you better don't too.
    There is a decent sampler laying around too.
    It's really unbelievable.
    I'm off to watch some mind numbing tv now.

  • @firejan82 said:

    @yug said:

    @firejan82 said:

    @yug said:
    You can use them in zMors Modular. AFAIK, it's the only app supporting those AUs

    Could I load the zMors Modular into effect slot of Audiobus and load the AUPitch into zMors Modular to treat the audio from Audiobus input with it?

    It does not support AudioBus, only IAA

    I see, so the same scenario but AudioShare or AUM instead of Audiobus, would that work?

    No effect slot in IAA.

  • @Ivan_Dj said:

    @firejan82 said:

    @yug said:

    @firejan82 said:

    @yug said:
    You can use them in zMors Modular. AFAIK, it's the only app supporting those AUs

    Could I load the zMors Modular into effect slot of Audiobus and load the AUPitch into zMors Modular to treat the audio from Audiobus input with it?

    It does not support AudioBus, only IAA

    I see, so the same scenario but AudioShare or AUM instead of Audiobus, would that work?

    No effect slot in IAA.

    thanks.

  • @lala said:

    >

    I'm off to watch some mind numbing tv now.

    I usually do that too especially when I get fed up.
    AudioCopy & iTunes Dependency for file sharing are just a few of the other topics that make my bp rise beyond healthy levels...

    2017 has just started and if it is to be the year when AUv3 kicks into high-gear on iOS we're all in for a treat :)

  • edited January 2017

    @Samu said:

    @lala said:

    >

    I'm off to watch some mind numbing tv now.

    I usually do that too especially when I get fed up.
    AudioCopy & iTunes Dependency for file sharing are just a few of the other topics that make my bp rise beyond healthy levels...

    2017 has just started and if it is to be the year when AUv3 kicks into high-gear on iOS we're all in for a treat :)

    Agree about iTunes.

    If our iPad are supposed to be PC replacements then why do we have to connect them to a PC in certain situations? That means you still need the PC.

    Thankfully I have connected my iPad Pro 12.9 to a computer only once, for some file transfer stuff. I felt ridiculous, it doesn't make any sense.

    (Didn't help that the PC in question it's smaller and less powerful than the iPad)

    Thankfully the need to do this it's going away (slowly).

  • @WaveMachineLabs please consider exposing the Apple AUs in Auria especially the multiband compressor so I don't have to buy that expensive fabfilter one...

  • Maybe AudioBus3?

  • @firejan82 said:
    @WaveMachineLabs please consider exposing the Apple AUs in Auria especially the multiband compressor so I don't have to buy that expensive fabfilter one...

    Lol, sounds good to me.

    ...seriously

  • edited January 2017

    @Samu said:
    Some of this could very well be caused by the 'Not invented here' syndrome.

    I can only speak for myself, but I'm not interested in these at all, as they are not portable. If I ever move my code to another platform these are 100% useless, whereas having my own code in C/C++ makes it portable to every platform in the known galaxy. Having my code tied to iOS seems like a pretty unhealthy horse to bet on.

  • edited January 2017

    ...

  • @brambos said:

    @Samu said:
    Some of this could very well be caused by the 'Not invented here' syndrome.

    I can only speak for myself, but I'm not interested in these at all, as they are not portable. If I ever move my code to another platform these are 100% useless, whereas having my own code in C/C++ makes it portable to every platform in the known galaxy. Having my code tied to iOS seems like a pretty unhealthy horse to bet on.

    It would be nice if Apple went the extra mile and added an AU GUI interface for these routines so that the users of their hardware had access to them on iOS.

    I can see how developers would want to maximize reuseable code by making it cross platform compatible rather than having a version only for iOS which would need to change whenever Apple did.

    zMors Modular does allow you to access the Apple AUs via MIDI but there are no knobs or sliders. You could create your own MIDI interface with app like TB MIDI Stuff or MIDI Designer.

  • edited January 2017

    Let's get the facts straight on the mac these are available :

    1. Au bandpass
    2. Au delay
    3. Au distortion
    4. Au dynamics processor
    5. Au filter
    6. Au graphic eq
    7. Au high shelf filter
    8. Au hipass
    9. Au lowpass
    10. Au lowshelffilter
    11. Au matrix reverb
    12. Au midisynth
    13. Au multiband compressor
    14. Au band eq
    15. Au net sent
    16. Au pitch
    17. Au new pitch
    18. Au parametric eq
    19. Au peak limiter
    20. Au Roger beep
    21. Au round trip aac
    22. Au sample delay
    23. Au sampler
    24. DLS music device

    Somebody list what he is seeing on iOS, please.
    Just open notes in split view...

  • edited January 2017

    In zMors Modular I see 17 Apple AUs. There are sliders to set the values of the AU parameters but only two of the parameters can be controlled via MIDI in the app at a time. You can configure which two parameters and which MIDI CC on which channel to control them with. There are also two ea I/O connections.

    In a more robust implementation, all of the AU parameters would be MIDI controllable.

    AUBandpassFilter
    AUDynamicsProcessor
    AUDelay
    AUDistortion
    AUHighPassFilter
    AUHighShelfFilter
    AUPodEQ
    AULowPassFilter
    AULowShelfFilter
    AUBandEQ
    AUNewPitch
    AUParametricEQ
    AUReverb2
    AUSampleDelay
    AUMIDISynth
    AUSampler

  • edited January 2017

    Thx.

    1. AUBandpassFilter
    2. AUDynamicsProcessor
    3. AUDelay
    4. AUDistortion
    5. AUHighPassFilter
    6. AUHighShelfFilter
    7. AUPodEQ
    8. AULowPassFilter
    9. AULowShelfFilter
    10. AUBandEQ
    11. AUNewPitch
    12. AUParametricEQ
    13. AUReverb2
    14. AUSampleDelay
    15. AUMIDISynth
    16. AUSampler
  • Designing a GUI and preset saving for each of the 17 Apple AUs would require some time to code. It's also not clear to me if a developer would be able to charge for such an AU app. Plus I think you also have to have a standalone version of the app too. I could see where an AU host app developer might be interested in adding such functionality to complement their app. There's nothing preventing a user from using the AU in another AU host app either.

    Since Apple hasn't even bothered to add AU effects app functionality to GarageBand, I doubt we can count on Apple to develop such AU apps anytime soon.

    I doubt Kymatica will be able to tackle this as he hasn't had time to even update his own apps to AU.

    I doubt Cubasis would take a punt at this either as they've already developed alternatives to them.

    Auria Pro perhaps too busy and already has alternatives to their functionality as well.

    I think many AU developers might have the same concerns as @brambos has already expressed so they might be reluctant to take it on.

    If we're lucky, we might get a developer who's wanting to learn how to do AUs on iOS and take on such a project for learning purposes. Given Apples history, they might release such AU apps after an independent developer has already gone through the trouble of doing it for us.

    Perhaps the most viable strategy would be to have a developer create one app with a really crap implementation (the app would work but there'd be annoying advertisements for example), be sure to say it uses the official Apple AU, and that they created the app because Apple hadn't yet?

  • edited January 2017

    The simplest thing to do are hi and lowpass filter, I guess.
    It's just a slider for frequency and resonance ...
    I used them on the mac to filter the aux send a little.

    As for standalone app, Iam pretty sure there is some example code for a simple Au host, through this together with the example code of a simple file player through in the filters, la voila, stand alone app and Au.
    This isn't rocket science. If you know what you are are doing.
    Anyone willing to try?

    Or we could just write a petition to apple to add a no nonsense GUI to their AUs as they did for the mac ...

  • I just looked through the App Store Guide Lines,
    they don't say you can't do this,
    All it's says is it needs to be a standalone app too.

  • Oops
    3.2.2 Unacceptable
    (i) Creating an interface for displaying third party apps, extensions, or plug-ins similar to the App Store or as a general-interest collection.

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