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Is the last album of Gorillaz (humanz) made with an iPad only ?
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I saw Damon Albarn on French Tv and he lets understand that his album Humanz was made with an iPad (Only ?) ...Is it possible ?
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sure it is, he's a very skilled musician. but surely the mixing and mastering is done in a big studio with lots of fancy outboard gear
Why not? There are all the tools involved in the process avairable for iOS... from synth/samplers and fx to full DAWs and mastering tools...
Back in the day people made full albums with an instrument, mic and 4 track multitrack recorders...
Said that if I will need to make an album I will work the most I could on the iPad until the mixing>mastering stage (that I don't want to do by myself for being so boring) and just hit "Ableton export" (or logic if I work in garageband) and let studio people to finish it with the desktop tools. Not for being more professional, just for continue with the part of the process I enjoy more.
Yeah he talked about garage band if I remember well...The ipad was maybe a sketch pad for composing but not the final tool for mixing and mastering .I can't recognize some iPad s app on the album.I will relisten it
.> @Dubbylabby said:
It's possible to mix and master if they wanted anyway...
You could do it on iPad if you wanted, but with the queue of producers, artists and engineers that want to work with them why would they, other than pure stubborness.
As a composition tool I can see the benefit, you can take what you have got and tweak it anywhere, meetups with artists etc....
If they recorded anything live on the iPad then even if they ended up using that audio, I wouldn't mind betting they re-recorded everything in a studio, and if the iPad version stayed it was because it fitted better than the studio version.
They did The Fall entirely on an iPad. That came out in 2011 I think? I'd be surprised if they did it twice -- Humanz is meant to be a 'full fat' album whereas The Fall was a quick follow up to Plastic Beach, jotted down in the tour bus and released to prove a point.
Edit: "Well, a lot of this record is just iPad." http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/damon-albarn-talks-gorillazs-new-lp-humanz-blurs-future-w477652
And why bloody not?!
I got everything I need for producing a full track on my iPhone for Petesake (although I still hope Music Studio gets its upgrade with the full parametric EQ and all that, but it's a great DAW just the same with a classic interface from the early days of iOS music production and great ways to build one's own instruments from scratch).
Wiki says this "Prior to studio recording, Albarn made use of iPad applications such as GarageBand to create the framework for each song."
Im pretty sure some of their previous album was made entirely on ipad.
Nope. Song Exploder Podcast recently had an episode with Damon Albarn about how he created the song "Andromeda" http://songexploder.net/gorillaz He uses assorted instruments, including iPad. Just no acoustic instruments.
Damon strikes me as a constant noodler, so it's no surprise that mobiles factor into his workflow.
Listened to Humanz last night, and it did make me think of the Fall album. Not because I picked up on the iPad sounds, but because it now replaces The Fall as my least favorite work from him. Not down with the new sound. But hey, kudos for diving headlong into new ideas. Last year's "Everyday Robots" solo thing was great.
I have everything I need except talent!
I have everything I need...and talent......shame the talent is for annoying people with silly comments
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Flaming Lips use iPads on their stuff as well.
Not Grain Science the other synth from that company- the non audiobus synth app they have out.
Wow. That was over 25 years ago? Good band. Shame about all of that britpop nonsense.
I'm planning on seeing the Gorillaz live soon. Would be interesting if there were any iPads on stage. But I doubt there will be.
I actually think The Fall is a pretty decent album in its own right. It's a bit of a grower.
To be honest (while possible) id find it an absolute insanity to be restricting yourself to just an Ipad for the sake of it. It's like cutting your grass with a push along lawnmower instead of a petrol one just because you can.
This is why while I'm still proud to be an iOS musician I find the phrase 'I am an iOS musician' absolutely cringeworthy. This is because, but not exclusively for the fact that Apple, while having produced the platform for our fave developers to go crazy on and therefore facilitate our creativity it is also a merciless money grabbing conglomerate like any other out there.
Apple, despite all it's merit (mainly due to platform's stability) is all I stand against musically and otherwise.
Rant over
The Fall wasn't terrible— just my least favorite. Free too, as I recall, so can't complain really. It was an incredible achievement considering those early days.
I agree with the first bit
I've been listening to a lot of their older, and live, stuff recently. All generally brilliant in its ability to fuse so many different types of music.
When people blythly say 'I don't like X type of music' I never really understand that. What all of it? You can't appreciate any of a whole genre of music? Maybe you need to open your mind a little?
I'm certainly not the worlds biggest Country fan - but I can appreciate the genius of many of Dolly Parton's songs. And ok - 'Dubstep', or whatever you want to call it, got a bit silly and formulaic after a while... but surely you just seek out and listen to the best stuff from any genre.
That's what I like about Damon. He really crosses all musical genres from Dancehall to Opera to Rock to Chinese traditional stuff.
He applies that to sex too, or at least he did about 20 yrs ago in an interview i read. Whichever way the wind blows.
To me there seems to be two types of iOS music producers (possibly three if one does a bit of both) and both are extremely valid:
A ) One creates their music "inside the iPad" so to speak, using a DAW, single app environment (like Gadget) or just a few apps recording a jam through AUM or AudioShare. Usually it's EDM or music predominantly created with MIDI, synths, drum machines sans acoustic instruments or vocals.
B ) The other type usually picks a DAW and uses it exclusively (Auria, Cubasis, Garage Band) while combining their iOS app synths, drum machines and MIDI utilities along with vocal & instrumental audio recorded through an interface.
The caveat again! This is an extremely narrow division as I said in the beginning, many do both approches and no doubt others have more various tweaks & workflows. So I'm not shitting on anyone.
The entire reason I ran this down was that I feel at this stage in the tech timeline and with what's available within home recording circles, there's really no difference between a guy with a DAW on a laptop with an interface & a guy with an iPad DAW and an interface, etc.
Many use their DAW, myself included, like studios 25 years ago used a 24 track recorder. With Auria Pro, I can use outboard mic preamps, etc. in addition to the incredible high quality Fab Filter plugins (acting as digital 1176's, etc) to record a track without using ANY of the soft synth, drum machines or sound design apps on the iPad. I don't do that of course, I love my apps, but I make the point to demonstrate how professional this format is.
While I see where @supadom & others are coming from and how the mainstream music world may still see iOS as a toy, I refuse to be surprised an artist with a label made a record on their iPad, from A to Z or just elements.
The future is now. The music production utilities on iOS are incredible and only someone's lack of talent could prevent them from making good music with those tools. It's not "Hey, iOS isn't ProTools HD & an SSL console, it ain't professional!" Fuck that, it's defeatist and an excuse.
Steve Lacy is getting all this attention for producing a track on the #1 album in the country by Kendrick Lamar but what he did could of been accomplished 2 or 3 years ago too. The media is just now getting hep to where the technology truly is.
I say often how working with iOS reminds me of when I started recording music with cassette multitracks: the speed and immediacy along with the portability and ease of use.
But in practice it's nothing like using an old Tascam 424, God love it. AuriaPro is fucking Abbey Road and the Hit Factory in your backpack while a cassette PortaStudio was a boom box with two extra tracks!
YES, iOS music production is professional quality, end of story.
@supadom lol I cut my grass with a push mower.
the neighbours think I'm nuts but it's very therapeutic.
I can understand that! ;;)
@JRSIV I think my lawnmower analogy didn't quite convey the idea. I did not mean in the least that IPad is a toy and that I'm a MacBook Pro power user. Quite the opposite, I only use iPad Air 2 for all my musical computing needs and quite happy about it but I'm not motivated mostly by capabilities (that I think are there all the same) but by the convenience of portability/diminutive form factor and most of all the ability of playing it as a unique instrument via touch screen.
So yes, Ipad is amazing and I'd probably abandon electronic side of music altogether if I was to rely on a classic pc because mouse is an absolute flow killer for me. It just seems a little silly limiting yourself just to one method for the sake of it. It would however make a lot of sense as a way of product advertising if Apple slipped a few coins in Damon's pocket. I'd find it totally morally justifiable if he used the money to make his next record
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I think the paramount objective of a creative musician is to express themselves by any means available, unrestricted.
Nah brother I understood where you were coming from, I think it was me who made a leap without explanation, I was just trying to keep it short, because I know I can go on, lol.
I was touching on the general perception of iPad music production stuff: it's cheap, it's a toy, etc. Because to me that negative stereotype then corrupts your extremely valid & agreeable POV of NOT limiting how & with what you can create with. "How can a phone/iPad toy compete with my 96k ProTools rig with vintage Neumann mics dude!" That sort of thing... it's bullshit.