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MultiTrackStudio vs Cubasis, Auria Pro, Audio Evolution?

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  • Once again :/ Why do you need another DAW?

  • https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/6293/multitrackstudio-tips-tricks-updates-last-update-v-2-6-on-july-1-2016#latest

    Here's a thread I curated for awhile with a lot of discussion on MTS. I was actually going to revisit it soon bc it did just get an update with some optimization.

    MTS is a solid DAW. It has a different approach to entering an audio and midi data. Some people view this as retro, since it emphasizes a one track at a time approach. Other people dislike this, because the more modern DAW's show more visual information about the overall project.

    At the time most of the polls in that thread were made, they were fewer solid alternatives. In particular, MTS used IAA in ways that we're sometimes more convenient than hooking up audio bus to another DAW. I think with Cubasis coming along further, the development of Auria pro, and now beat maker three, it doesn't necessarily offer anything new over the other apps. Also, AU instruments and effects have added to the ease with which you can stay entirely within a single app and get work done. Oh, Gadget got audio tracks. Sort of.

    Still use MTS and like a lot of things about it. But I now also use Cubasis and Gadget, and there are fewer clear advantages MTS had over the other DAW's than, say, in 2015 for someone looking to invest $50 in a whole package.

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  • it's not as slick as the others but does have a few advantages. I don't use it as much as I used to, but might start using it again when it gets AB3 compatability.
    It now has the multi-midi editor, multi track midi editing on the same timeline, which I don't think any of the other DAWs do as well. It has mix buses which Cubasis doesn't have. An overview song editor/ arranger too which I wish the other Daws also had. it has some really quick audio editing tools so I definitely like having it around even if I don't use it as a full DAW all the time.

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    With Auria, you can view multiple MIDI tracks at once in the piano roll, but you can move the notes of the selected track only, so this is a point for MTS.

    EDIT: you actually can EDIT multiple MIDI tracks at once in the same piano roll with Auria, there’s a box where you select the focused and reference track. Auria Pro, always a new surprise, you find a new feature from the competition only to find Auria already has it.

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    Right now for me out of the the three Cubasis/Auria Pro and MTS I'm using Cubasis the most because it has the best Audiobus 3 compatibility. They are all good tools in different ways though.

  • I think Auria isn't AudioBus 3 compatible yet... or is it? I don't have AB3, so I don't know, and TBH nowadays I don't use non-AU app unless I absolutely have too (cough... DRUMPERFECT PRO... cough). MTS included AB3 in the last update, right?

  • Here's how I sum things up (at least as of this month)...

    -Cubasis - Where I sometimes mix down audio. Oh who am I kidding...
    -Beatmaker 3 - Where I always mix down audio.
    -Auria Pro - Where I master audio.
    -Audio Evolution - New kid on the block with sweet Tonebridge plugins as IAPs. Don't use it much though.
    -Multitrack Studio - Autotuning.

    (No, seriously, MTS has an effect plugin that's like a crossover of the GSnap PC VST and a rudimentary version of Melodyne.)

  • @tja said:
    Can it do what the others do?

    >

    What it can't do, what none of the others can do except for Auria Pro, is use Fab Filters.

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  • Overall, I'd say Cubasis has MTS beat. There are two areas where MTS might have a slight advantage: it can load soundfonts! I could be wrong, but I believe it's the only ios daw that you can use your own sfz files.
    Secondly, it has some pretty darn good presets for vocals - compression, reverb etc. Even does some pitch correction. I bought it back when it was the only DAW using AU. Got some decent work done on it.

  • Auria Pro can load soundfonts (Sf2 and SFZ), plus EXS files (so you can purchase elsewhere state of the art sample libraries and open in Auria). I’m interested in MTS’ autotuner: is it best than Auria’s Mu-Retune? Is it graphical like Melodyne or automatic like Antares?

  • @theconnactic said:
    I think Auria isn't AudioBus 3 compatible yet... or is it? I don't have AB3, so I don't know, and TBH nowadays I don't use non-AU app unless I absolutely have too (cough... DRUMPERFECT PRO... cough). MTS included AB3 in the last update, right?

    Auria unofficially works ok with AB3 for audio input, but when I last used it it disabled the multi output, so I think that it needs updating officially. MTS only works properly with AB2 and still needs an update for 3. Cubasis is the only one which works properly with AB3 midi and audio.

    As regards to AB3 you can just use only AU apps in it if you want to of course :)

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    I don't see a problem (except of course available $) to owning any and all iOS DAW or near-DAW. I've bought all of them including a couple not mentioned here, and have used them all to good effect. I get pleasure from learning them, and pushing them around.

    As I make things in each different one, I see my stuff differently, and see different approaches on doing my stuff. It doesn't lead anywhere, except to making stuff. I don't arrive at a DAW to end all DAW. I do delete some, (after I installed and started using BM3 I deleted Gadget, Cubasis, Auria - and yes after purchasing every plugin). Theyll be off the device for a while, sometimes a long while, but I won't know if it's "for good" until I kick the bucket.

    I kept MTS on the device because I like its oddness, it is very distinct from any DAW I've tried on iOS or laptop. I find it to be direct, and accessible, and speedy. This may be simply because of the hours I've spent with it.

    The pluses not mentioned above: 1. the midi and audio track editors (which I think are the best of all available on iOS, especially with the recent update that uses a single radial touch rather than the previous combination of touch/buttons). 2. It's integration with AudioShare at the track level is very direct. 3. It includes excellent drum and score style track editors along with midi. 4. Aside from the iOS version I have it on a Windows 10 tablet, and a Windows XP tower desktop build as well, and can move projects between the three platforms easy peasy. I've tried a few of these cross platform options, including N-track, Cubase, and the Live project export, and MTS wins (for me).

  • @theconnactic said:
    Auria Pro can load soundfonts (Sf2 and SFZ), plus EXS files (so you can purchase elsewhere state of the art sample libraries and open in Auria). I’m interested in MTS’ autotuner: is it best than Auria’s Mu-Retune? Is it graphical like Melodyne or automatic like Antares?

    I never got on with Mu-Retune. MTS' pitch correction is sorta kinda graphical like Melodyne. It can't tune vocals 8va nor 8vb (but rather it approximates the closest octave to the note you're trying to retune a pitch to), but rather it's more or less like a "pitch gate" (if that makes any sense). For what it is, it does a damn good job. Might not get the Melodyne quality per se, but you get something better than "just okay". Pro tip: clean the vocals up in Hokusai first. The autotune detects the original pitch better that way.

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  • @tja said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic What exactly would you do with the audio in Hokusai?
    I own it, but I never saw some "cleaning" feature...
    Or what did you mean?

    It's called "Noise Reduction". Highlight an area of noise in your recording, go to noise reduction, highlight "learn", and hit "done". Then, highlight the entire recording, again go to noise reduction, highlight "apply", then hit "done". Boom. Instant vocal cleaning.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @theconnactic said:
    Auria Pro can load soundfonts (Sf2 and SFZ), plus EXS files (so you can purchase elsewhere state of the art sample libraries and open in Auria). I’m interested in MTS’ autotuner: is it best than Auria’s Mu-Retune? Is it graphical like Melodyne or automatic like Antares?

    I never got on with Mu-Retune. MTS' pitch correction is sorta kinda graphical like Melodyne. It can't tune vocals 8va nor 8vb (but rather it approximates the closest octave to the note you're trying to retune a pitch to), but rather it's more or less like a "pitch gate" (if that makes any sense). For what it is, it does a damn good job. Might not get the Melodyne quality per se, but you get something better than "just okay". Pro tip: clean the vocals up in Hokusai first. The autotune detects the original pitch better that way.

    Great! I might end up buying MTS for the autotune only - even at full price, it’s a justified expense since it costs less then Mac’s cheepest graphical pitch correction tool, Waves Tune Lite.

    I also discovered that: Mu Retune will give far less artifacts if you clean the vocals with Hokusai or record them in a proper treated room in the first place, and when it does work, it works fairly good, and have some nice FX as well (gender shift, formant lock, harmonizer etc). In fact, it works very muck like GSnap. I can live with that, but I much prefer grahical tools where I can move the notes in the piano roll like Melodyne - that’s the way MTS’ tuner works, right?

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  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I never got on with Mu-Retune. MTS' pitch correction is sorta kinda graphical like Melodyne. It can't tune vocals 8va nor 8vb (but rather it approximates the closest octave to the note you're trying to retune a pitch to), but rather it's more or less like a "pitch gate" (if that makes any sense). For what it is, it does a damn good job. Might not get the Melodyne quality per se, but you get something better than "just okay". Pro tip: clean the vocals up in Hokusai first. The autotune detects the original pitch better that way.

    This is enticing. I was planning to buy Melodyne Essentials this week. I’ve been sampling a lot of vocal/spoken stuff and would like to slap it into a melody. I blame Pogo:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sy4IhE-KAEg
    I’m never going to achieve that level of quality (for so many reasons), but is it worth having a crack with MultiTrackStudio instead? I’d prefer to stay with the iPad if I can. The cost difference is small.

    Any advice appreciated.

  • @theconnactic said:
    With Auria, you can view multiple MIDI tracks at once in the piano roll, but you can move the notes of the selected track only, so this is a point for MTS.

    EDIT: you actually can EDIT multiple MIDI tracks at once in the same piano roll with Auria, there’s a box where you select the focused and reference track. Auria Pro, always a new surprise, you find a new feature from the competition only to find Auria already has it.

    Does Auria Pro feature piano roll scrubbing (i.e., move the curser over the notes back and forth and hear them make sound)? Thanks.....

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