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Xequence midi sequencer ?

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  • @brambos said:
    As far as I can tell, it does "something" with continue (and it's causing me major headaches). When I press "Play" on my Roland TB-03 it actually sends Continue. And it causes my Volca Sample to start playing at a seemingly random point in the pattern - essentially making my TB-03 useless as a master for devices further down the chain. The joys of MIDI chains :D

    Really? I have to really sit down and check this out with more care. To me it looked like it always (with Xequence) started from the beginning, but I have to craft some patterns to explicitly see and hear what's going on. :smile:

  • @memelord said:

    @brambos said:
    As far as I can tell, it does "something" with continue (and it's causing me major headaches). When I press "Play" on my Roland TB-03 it actually sends Continue. And it causes my Volca Sample to start playing at a seemingly random point in the pattern - essentially making my TB-03 useless as a master for devices further down the chain. The joys of MIDI chains :D

    Really? I have to really sit down and check this out with more care. To me it looked like it always (with Xequence) started from the beginning, but I have to craft some patterns to explicitly see and hear what's going on. :smile:

    It depends on the model I think. The Volca FM does support SPP, but the Sample doesn't.

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @Audiojunkie said:
    Is there a way to back up and restore projects without using iTunes? I use Linux systems. Thanks!!

    If iTunes doesn't work under Wine, then I'm not sure. You can of course use iCloud to backup your device, which would include the Xequence projects as well. But as for manually accessing them, I don't think there's a pure Linux solution.

    That's why I will add "Open In" functionality so that you can then just do about anything (email, upload to Cloud, etc.) with Xequence project files.

    "Open In" functionality will be awesome!! In fact, it would be the preferred way!! I look forward to it!! Thanks!!

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @brambos
    @cian

    Yeah I see the advantages of Link and how it's different from MIDI Sync. MIDI Sync is like a huge old machine with precisely crafted steel cogwheels that wants everything to hum along with micrometer precision, while Link is a pink Barbie doll inviting everyone to the virtual dancefloor! ;) Both have their uses and I'm looking forward to implementing Link. However, Ableton should probably have taken this opportunity (or maybe they still will) to also implement "hard" song position sync like MIDI clock, inside their more modern architecture. So that MIDI Sync can finally be forgotten about!

    Agreed. But since they haven’t, we need both. :smile:

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @brambos said:
    Yes... I feel your pain. MIDI implementations are a bit of a Wild West thing nowadays. Even hardware-based sequencers from established brands like Korg and Roland take "artistic license" with the official specs :D

    Haha. Well to be honest, I have started that way too, but when I got strange behavior from other apps and things weren't clear, I started to browse the official spec. But if nobody adheres to it anyway, then it's probably moot and it's better to just test as many apps / hardware devices as possible.

    Agreed. Testing as many apps as possible is probably the very best way, when the spec fails. I can think of several apps that just won't work, no matter how hard the developer tries (example: DM1 by Fingerlab). It seems that LINK was the only redeeming way to get DM1 working. That's why it's such a benefit--where one fails, the other seems to work. They are both essential.

    In most "Volca/Boutique" style pattern sequencers MIDI Start just means "start pattern or song, whichever mode is selected". Some need MIDI Clock, for others just a Start command suffices and it will take the internal tempo if no clock is being received.

    I was afraid of sending "Start" because some apps might then reset their position to zero, which I had previously meticulously set with SPP? :# Probably a good idea to include a switch "Send Start" that can be toggled per device, if problems arise?

    This sounds like a very good compromise. I would much rather have everything start at the very beginning every time than to have apps not start at all. This would cover both contingencies.

    I am testing MIDI Clock/Transport mostly with external MIDI devices since most apps have moved on to Ableton Link these days anyway, but bridging these two worlds is still a challenge.

    I don't know if I would say most apps have moved on, but it seems that Ableton LINK must be easier to implement, and so developers seem to use it more. The quality apps (example: Moog Model 15, etc) tend to be more complete and do both. It would be preferable to have both get equal development attention, since they are both equally important.

    Yes Ableton Link... it seems easier to set up, but when you look at the facts, actually seems to offer less than MIDI Sync? i.e. it cannot sync absolute song position? (And is not intended to...). The primary use case I added MIDI Sync to Xequence was using Audio tracks in other apps, because that's simply not possible in a pure MIDI sequencer. And for that you need "hard sync" to song position.

    I agree completely! Audio Track sync is essential. I'm so glad that you see the importance of supporting both!! :smiley:

  • You should see Ableton Link as a big jam session where anyone and anything can join and/or leave whenever they feel like it. The protocol makes sure that every application/devices stays locked in the correct phase, regardless of time signatures. It's actually quite elegant and seems to match the workflow a lot of people have developed when juggling multiple apps simultaneously.

    The key thing to remember with Ableton LINK, is that if you implement it with Audiobus, the Audiobus developers have included a way to start all of the devices at the same time through a global start button within Audiobus. This allows Audiobus/LINK apps to act like they have MIDI start capability, which is nice when those apps don't support the midi we would like to have. A quality sequencer, like yours, should cover both contingencies.

  • @SevenSystems said:
    @brambos
    @cian

    Yeah I see the advantages of Link and how it's different from MIDI Sync. MIDI Sync is like a huge old machine with precisely crafted steel cogwheels that wants everything to hum along with micrometer precision, while Link is a pink Barbie doll inviting everyone to the virtual dancefloor! ;) Both have their uses and I'm looking forward to implementing Link. However, Ableton should probably have taken this opportunity (or maybe they still will) to also implement "hard" song position sync like MIDI clock, inside their more modern architecture. So that MIDI Sync can finally be forgotten about!

    Agreed completely!! I still hope Ableton does a update to the spec and SDK to include those things.

  • One of the great threads.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    One of the great threads.

    If only for my pink Barbie doll metaphor! ;)

  • I have tried xequence on my iphone 6s now, before I only tried on ipad. I must say I am surprise how well it works. I have not read any documentation because I haven't needed that to understand the app and it's not me beeing smart it's just a great gui. It has the best midi editor on ios.

  • edited September 2017

    I agree. I come from the days when my old Tasman 688 would sync rock solidly with my Korg i30 using song positions pointer, love that. I hope we can keep both systems.

    @SevenSystems said:
    @brambos
    @cian

    Yeah I see the advantages of Link and how it's different from MIDI Sync. MIDI Sync is like a huge old machine with precisely crafted steel cogwheels that wants everything to hum along with micrometer precision, while Link is a pink Barbie doll inviting everyone to the virtual dancefloor! ;) Both have their uses and I'm looking forward to implementing Link. However, Ableton should probably have taken this opportunity (or maybe they still will) to also implement "hard" song position sync like MIDI clock, inside their more modern architecture. So that MIDI Sync can finally be forgotten about!

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    One of the great threads.

    If only for my pink Barbie doll metaphor! ;)

    Dibs on "Pink Barbie Doll Farts" band name.

  • @MusicMan4Christ said:
    I agree. I come from the days when my old Tasman 688 would sync rock solidly with my Korg i30.

    I started in ca. 1997 with my first "real" synth, a Yamaha SY-85 (still have it), controlled with (fasten seat belts) Impulse Tracker in DOS! Yes, a tracker in 1997 that had MIDI Out...

  • @wim said:
    Dibs on "Pink Barbie Doll Farts" band name.

    I'm still evaluating where to fit that "Metronome sound: Tick | Tone | Fart" toggle on the iPhone... :#

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    Dibs on "Pink Barbie Doll Farts" band name.

    I'm still evaluating where to fit that "Metronome sound: Tick | Tone | Fart" toggle on the iPhone... :#

    Your laughing now, but as your marketing manager I'm telling you to add that as an IAP. Only 99 cents, but would make people feel so special/elect....

  • So, at the gym on cardio equipment.

    Right off- it is a sequencer app.

    Yet my failure to understand this has only been able to get to a piano roll one time by luck.

    How does a person just get to the piano roll to input notes?

    What button do I press?

    I end up everything but that.

    Thank you

  • Draw a pattern onto the time line. Double-tap it.

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    How does a person just get to the piano roll to input notes?
    What button do I press?

    You can either draw a part (@wim called it pattern, some call it clip :smile: ) by tapping the Draw button in the bottom left corner and then drawing it into the timeline, then deactivating Draw, and then double-tapping the part to edit it in the Pianoroll. Or you can just hit the "Record" button at the top right, which will automatically create a part.

  • @wim said:
    Draw a pattern onto the time line. Double-tap it.

    @SevenSystems said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    How does a person just get to the piano roll to input notes?
    What button do I press?

    You can either draw a part (@wim called it pattern, some call it clip :smile: ) by tapping the Draw button in the bottom left corner and then drawing it into the timeline, then deactivating Draw, and then double-tapping the part to edit it in the Pianoroll. Or you can just hit the "Record" button at the top right, which will automatically create a part.

    Thanks

    Will try again and see

  • @SevenSystems - small feature request: It would be great if loop settings were preserved with the project. The closer opening a project can be to where you last left off working the better. B)

  • agree

    @wim said:

    @SevenSystems - small feature request: It would be great if loop settings were preserved with the project. The closer opening a project can be to where you last left off working the better. B)

  • Guys stupid question
    How do I get the keyboard to play another midi track? I have two tracks different instruments in AUM different midi channels still no go only first one plays.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2017

    Are the channels set up properly in AUM?

    • Make sure that Xequencer has AUM as the destination
    • Make sure that each channel in AUM is receiving midi from “AUM Destination”
    • Make sure that you de-select all midi channels in AUM the AUM channel except the one you’re sending to it from Xequence.
    • Be sure to open the app at least once. Some apps like Korg iELECTRIBE don’t make any sound until you bring them to the foreground at least once.

    If that doesn’t help, more details of your setup will be needed.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    One of the great threads.

    I find myself jumping on every time there's a new post. It's like a soap opera for nerds.

  • Simple, I have AUM hosting Minisynth and isymphonic. Each on their own midi channel 1&2 and both setup as you said. But I’m Xequence I can hear isymphonic even though I’ve set it to send to AUM channel 2. Weird thing is that mini synth does show up as an option in Xequence but isymphonic doesn’t. It only says AUM.

  • Forget what shows up or not. Send everything to AUM.

    I’m pretty sure what is happening is you’ve got both your channels in AUM listening to all channels. You need to go into the midi settings for the channel in AUM and turn off all midi channels by hitting the “None” button. Then enable just the channel you want.

    If that doesn’t work then you need to send some screen shots.

  • Could also have to do with MiniSynth and iSymphonic’s midi capabilities. I don’t have either so I can’t say.

  • @wim said:
    @SevenSystems - small feature request: It would be great if loop settings were preserved with the project. The closer opening a project can be to where you last left off working the better. B)

    Haha, damn someone noticed! :smile: There was some annoying implementation detail that made me not have it restore on load, but I see how it can be useful. Noted.

    @MusicMan4Christ: If you load something into AUM as IAA (not Audio Unit), it will also present its virtual MIDI ports to Xequence so they will get listed there. However, if you use AUM as your host for all synths, then you should keep it all tidy and only send MIDI into AUM, and then route it to the correct plugins inside AUM. Never send to the synths directly from Xequence if they're hosted in AUM. Recipe for chaos! :neutral:

  • edited September 2017

    Still loving this app but I'm curious. Why output metronome to a synth instead of having an in app metronome sound? Seems cool but also a possible waste of cpu. I have to launch an extra synth to keep everything in time. Any chance you'll implement a different metronome option?

  • @Panthemusicalgoat said:
    Still loving this app but I'm curious. Why output metronome to a synth instead of having an in app metronome sound? Seems cool but also a possible waste of cpu. I have to launch an extra synth to keep everything in time. Any chance you'll implement a different metronome option?

    Good chance, yes. Implementing a MIDI metronome was simpler for us, and offers the user more flexibility, as they can use an existing synth app to produce whatever sound they want, at whatever volume, and to whatever output (if they have multiple audio outputs) they desire. Also, chances are that if you're already running a larger audio setup for a project, there will be some multi-timbral synth running anyway that you can just add a metronome sound to. For example, if I do my "hobby music production", I always have Gadget running anyway, so in every Gadget project (and in my template project), there's a metronome on CH 16 anyway. So... it's not that big of a hassle if you have a "standard workflow" for producing music on iOS. But I'm a very organized and "standardized" guy ;)

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