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  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited October 2017

    @MAtrixplan said:
    Sorry for not reading all almost 300 posts, but is this app has built in effects? Why I should look into Xequence if I have already Cubasis and work mostly on ipad?

    Thanks for asking -- I'm not the most objective person on Earth on this matter, but I'll stick to the facts, promised :)

    First of all, Xequence is a pure MIDI sequencer, it doesn't do audio at all. However, configuring it to work with any number of other synths, be it Audio Units hosted in AUM, multitimbral standalone Apps like Gadget etc. is really quite streamlined.

    Stuff that Xequence has that Cubasis (AFAIK) doesn't (please anyone correct me if I'm wrong):

    • Support for musical scales, even in the Pianoroll (choose E Minor, and all keyboard keys in the Keyboard screen and rows in the Pianoroll editor only show notes in E Minor) -- much more efficient composing / editing.
    • Support for linked parts (edit one part, all parts in the arrangement that are linked to that part change as well)
    • Support for per-part looping (set a part to "Loop", and it will automatically loop itself). This is different to the song loop and more powerful
    • Support for multiple tracks per instrument (one can e.g. contain notes, the other controllers)
    • Non-destructive swing quantization (just move the "Swing" slider per MIDI track, doesn't change note data)
    • Track delay (any MIDI track can be moved backwards or forwards in time without changing the note data)
    • More editing tools (Legato, Scale controllers, Fill part with notes, etc.)
    • Vertical zooming in the arrangement

    On iPhone, the obvious advantage is that Xequence supports it at all :) Hope this help with your decision.

    There's also the Quickstart Manual which has lots of details and screenshots:

    http://www.seven.systems/xequence/manual/

  • MAtrixplanMAtrixplan

    Thanks for detailed answer. I think that loooooots of people are tired by limitations of Gadget, so it's great that You show how to use it in manual.

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    Unlimited Tracks are realy only 4 ?

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    Import Midi ?

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    Link?

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    What a shame

  • TheMediocritistTheMediocritist

    @Bartlinux said:
    Unlimited Tracks are realy only 4 ?

    No.

    @Bartlinux said:
    Import Midi ?
    Link?

    Not yet, but coming.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99
    edited October 2017

    @SevenSystems said:

    @MAtrixplan said:
    Sorry for not reading all almost 300 posts, but is this app has built in effects? Why I should look into Xequence if I have already Cubasis and work mostly on ipad?

    Thanks for asking -- I'm not the most objective person on Earth on this matter, but I'll stick to the facts, promised :)

    First of all, Xequence is a pure MIDI sequencer, it doesn't do audio at all. However, configuring it to work with any number of other synths, be it Audio Units hosted in AUM, multitimbral standalone Apps like Gadget etc. is really quite streamlined.

    Stuff that Xequence has that Cubasis (AFAIK) doesn't (please anyone correct me if I'm wrong):

    • Support for musical scales, even in the Pianoroll (choose E Minor, and all keyboard keys in the Keyboard screen and rows in the Pianoroll editor only show notes in E Minor) -- much more efficient composing / editing.
    • Support for linked parts (edit one part, all parts in the arrangement that are linked to that part change as well)
    • Support for per-part looping (set a part to "Loop", and it will automatically loop itself). This is different to the song loop and more powerful
    • Support for multiple tracks per instrument (one can e.g. contain notes, the other controllers)
    • Non-destructive swing quantization (just move the "Swing" slider per MIDI track, doesn't change note data)
    • Track delay (any MIDI track can be moved backwards or forwards in time without changing the note data)
    • More editing tools (Legato, Scale controllers, Fill part with notes, etc.)
    • Vertical zooming in the arrangement

    On iPhone, the obvious advantage is that Xequence supports it at all :) Hope this help with your decision.

    There's also the Quickstart Manual which has lots of details and screenshots:

    http://www.seven.systems/xequence/manual/

    That's very engaging, thank you.
    But like Coach Ted Lasso, I'm a visual learner. I would love to see a video.

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    I have modstep and genome and others, Whats the difference?
    All have link and Midi Import .

  • wimwim

    @Bartlinux said:
    I have modstep and genome and others, Whats the difference?
    All have link and Midi Import .

    I believe all this is covered well in the thread already. What have you read that you don't understand?

  • wimwim

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Other than being universal, does this bring anything more to the table than modstep or midisteps?

    It’s different than those two. Modstep is clip based and MidiSTEPs is....uh can’t think how to describe MidiSTEPs. Xequence is linear. Think Cubasis without any instruments, just midi. For me the main draw is it works on iPhone. But it’s also just very well executed. Unless you’re feeling the need for something that works on iPhone, you probably don’t need it.

    On the iPhone, for sequencing only, how would this compare to aleph looper?

    Xequencer completely blows away Aleph looper. Completely. They are two different beasts though. Aleph is a small pattern-based midi recorder; Xequencer is a full blown easy to use linear MIDI sequencer. Aside from them both using MIDI, there isn't too much to compare. :wink:

    I completely disagree. I'm a huge Xequence fan, but I also think Infinite Looper is equally powerful, and in some ways more so. They are both outstanding at what they do ... they just do it substantially differently.

    OK, so I'm basing what I say on Infinite Looper, not Aleph Looper, but I think they're the same thing aren't they?

    Not going to get into an argument, but your characterization of Aleph being just "a small pattern-based midi recorder" is too far off the mark to just let pass without voicing a strong disagreement for the record.

  • AudiojunkieAudiojunkie

    @Bartlinux said:
    What a shame

    No offense, but I think everyone here can tell that you are making uninformed decisions. It's obvious that you haven't had more than a cursory glance at the manual, if you indeed looked at it at all, and if you argue that you have, I feel that there is a compelling counter-argument that you understood little of it.

  • AudiojunkieAudiojunkie

    @wim said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Other than being universal, does this bring anything more to the table than modstep or midisteps?

    It’s different than those two. Modstep is clip based and MidiSTEPs is....uh can’t think how to describe MidiSTEPs. Xequence is linear. Think Cubasis without any instruments, just midi. For me the main draw is it works on iPhone. But it’s also just very well executed. Unless you’re feeling the need for something that works on iPhone, you probably don’t need it.

    On the iPhone, for sequencing only, how would this compare to aleph looper?

    Xequencer completely blows away Aleph looper. Completely. They are two different beasts though. Aleph is a small pattern-based midi recorder; Xequencer is a full blown easy to use linear MIDI sequencer. Aside from them both using MIDI, there isn't too much to compare. :wink:

    I completely disagree. I'm a huge Xequence fan, but I also think Infinite Looper is equally powerful, and in some ways more so. They are both outstanding at what they do ... they just do it substantially differently.

    OK, so I'm basing what I say on Infinite Looper, not Aleph Looper, but I think they're the same thing aren't they?

    Not going to get into an argument, but your characterization of Aleph being just "a small pattern-based midi recorder" is too far off the mark to just let pass without voicing a strong disagreement for the record.

    Hehehe!! Fair enough. There are some people that are big fans of it--though I don't understand why. In your opinion, what are the strengths/weaknesses of Infinite Looper? I don't want an argument either, I'm just curious about its perceived strengths/weaknesses when compared to Xequencer from another viewpoint than my own. :wink:

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @wim said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Other than being universal, does this bring anything more to the table than modstep or midisteps?

    It’s different than those two. Modstep is clip based and MidiSTEPs is....uh can’t think how to describe MidiSTEPs. Xequence is linear. Think Cubasis without any instruments, just midi. For me the main draw is it works on iPhone. But it’s also just very well executed. Unless you’re feeling the need for something that works on iPhone, you probably don’t need it.

    On the iPhone, for sequencing only, how would this compare to aleph looper?

    Xequencer completely blows away Aleph looper. Completely. They are two different beasts though. Aleph is a small pattern-based midi recorder; Xequencer is a full blown easy to use linear MIDI sequencer. Aside from them both using MIDI, there isn't too much to compare. :wink:

    I completely disagree. I'm a huge Xequence fan, but I also think Infinite Looper is equally powerful, and in some ways more so. They are both outstanding at what they do ... they just do it substantially differently.

    OK, so I'm basing what I say on Infinite Looper, not Aleph Looper, but I think they're the same thing aren't they?

    Not going to get into an argument, but your characterization of Aleph being just "a small pattern-based midi recorder" is too far off the mark to just let pass without voicing a strong disagreement for the record.

    To get more specific with my original question... Didn't mean to pit one against the other in terms of which is a better app. I like Aleph looper a lot. I think it packs a lot of function into it's iPhone installed package. However, I find pecking out note patterns, and editing them via an iPhone screen (iPhone SE specifically) to be somewhat difficult and fiddly.

    I was mostly interested in how the interface for Xequence compares to the only app I have on the iPhone for creating and editing midi patterns, Aleph looper.

    So, all I was really interested in Xequence for was an interface design for the smaller iPhone screen that's a bit easier to create and edit midi sequences than I've found Aleph to be. But, I'm only about $5 worth interested... and from what I've read here, the $5 version is really just a demo and doesn't give you enough to really use. I'm not $14 interested for my iPhone use, since I really don't use the iPhone that much for audio stuff anyway. I might've dropped $5 on a good iPhone midi sequencer though. For my personal use, I'm covered on the iPad and don't need another sequencer.

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited October 2017

    @skiphunt, all I can say is that regarding iPhone / iPad, Xequence has really been designed "iPhone first" from the start (the iPad "version" has actually been started when the iPhone version was completely done), but as I said, I'm not very objective :) what I can say though is that it has been designed from the start to enable to best possible workflow on a small device.

    Now, off to work on the update! ;)

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited October 2017

    @SevenSystems said:
    @skiphunt, all I can say is that regarding iPhone / iPad, Xequence has really been designed "iPhone first" from the start (the iPad "version" has actually been started when the iPhone version was completely done), but as I said, I'm not very objective :) what I can say though is that it has been designed from the start to enable to best possible workflow on a small device.

    Now, off to work on the update! ;)

    I'm not a heavy midi user for the most part. I dabble. A good $5 iPhone midi editor is something I'd be interested in. But, others here say the $5 version is just a taste and merely a demo.

    Even when I'm playing with my iPad midi apps like Genome, or Modstep, or BM3, or Auria Pro... it's seldom I go beyond 4-5 tracks anyway. Though, if I'm reading this thread correctly, automation on a given midi note track sequence would be counted as another track of the 4-track "demo version" limit. Is this correct?

    Would the $5 "demo" version be plenty sufficient for a light midi user like myself? Or, is it really too limited for anything beyond getting a taste of the app's interface only?

  • wimwim
    edited October 2017

    @skiphunt said:
    To get more specific with my original question... Didn't mean to pit one against the other in terms of which is a better app.

    Nah, no fisticuffs here. Just a healthy exchange of viewpoints.

    I was mostly interested in how the interface for Xequence compares to the only app I have on the iPhone for creating and editing midi patterns, Aleph looper.
    So, all I was really interested in Xequence for was an interface design for the smaller iPhone screen that's a bit easier to create and edit midi sequences than I've found Aleph to be.

    I'd give Xequence the edge here. The piano roll is quite good. It's still tough editing anything serious midi-wise on a phone, but I think Xequence uses the screen real estate a little better. I get a little discombobulated with IL with it's slide up keyboard 'n settings 'n stuff.

    But, I'm only about $5 worth interested... and from what I've read here, the $5 version is really just a demo and doesn't give you enough to really use.

    Not at all! It's totally usable with the basic purchase. All functionality is there - just limited to only 4 outputs. How often do you really get something going on the phone that uses more than 4 outputs?? I went all-in, yet haven't broken the four outputs yet myself. Besides, Aleph only has two more.

    As mentioned elsewhere, its only four outputs, but that doesn't mean only four tracks of midi data. For instance, you can have kick, snare, and hats all on separate tracks if all outputting to the same app.

    I like your thoroughness, but I don't think I'm inclined to put more time into this to save you the equivalent of the price of a happy meal. ;)

  • wimwim

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @wim said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Other than being universal, does this bring anything more to the table than modstep or midisteps?

    It’s different than those two. Modstep is clip based and MidiSTEPs is....uh can’t think how to describe MidiSTEPs. Xequence is linear. Think Cubasis without any instruments, just midi. For me the main draw is it works on iPhone. But it’s also just very well executed. Unless you’re feeling the need for something that works on iPhone, you probably don’t need it.

    On the iPhone, for sequencing only, how would this compare to aleph looper?

    Xequencer completely blows away Aleph looper. Completely. They are two different beasts though. Aleph is a small pattern-based midi recorder; Xequencer is a full blown easy to use linear MIDI sequencer. Aside from them both using MIDI, there isn't too much to compare. :wink:

    I completely disagree. I'm a huge Xequence fan, but I also think Infinite Looper is equally powerful, and in some ways more so. They are both outstanding at what they do ... they just do it substantially differently.

    OK, so I'm basing what I say on Infinite Looper, not Aleph Looper, but I think they're the same thing aren't they?

    Not going to get into an argument, but your characterization of Aleph being just "a small pattern-based midi recorder" is too far off the mark to just let pass without voicing a strong disagreement for the record.

    Hehehe!! Fair enough. There are some people that are big fans of it--though I don't understand why. In your opinion, what are the strengths/weaknesses of Infinite Looper? I don't want an argument either, I'm just curious about its perceived strengths/weaknesses when compared to Xequencer from another viewpoint than my own. :wink:

    Bleh. Subject is kind of boring me at this point. They're both great. I'm glad I have them both. Don't really care if anyone else risks their life savings over either any more. B)

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @skiphunt: Normally, you would create automation (controller data) parts (clips) on a separate track as that is easier to work with. However, nothing stops you from recording / drawing up to 3 different controllers, plus notes, into one single part on a single track (they can still be edited separately in the Pianoroll / Controller editor). So with 4 tracks, you can indeed control up to 4 instruments, each with up to 3 separately editable controllers, plus notes.

    You should really get the IAP though. "It's just 2 cups of coffee" (if you're in NYC) ;)

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    To get more specific with my original question... Didn't mean to pit one against the other in terms of which is a better app.

    Nah, no fisticuffs here. Just a healthy exchange of viewpoints.

    I was mostly interested in how the interface for Xequence compares to the only app I have on the iPhone for creating and editing midi patterns, Aleph looper.
    So, all I was really interested in Xequence for was an interface design for the smaller iPhone screen that's a bit easier to create and edit midi sequences than I've found Aleph to be.

    I'd give Xequence the edge here. The piano roll is quite good. It's still tough editing anything serious midi-wise on a phone, but I think Xequence uses the screen real estate a little better. I get a little discombobulated with IL with it's slide up keyboard 'n settings 'n stuff.

    But, I'm only about $5 worth interested... and from what I've read here, the $5 version is really just a demo and doesn't give you enough to really use.

    Not at all! It's totally usable with the basic purchase. All functionality is there - just limited to only 4 outputs. How often do you really get something going on the phone that uses more than 4 outputs? I went all-in, yet haven't broken the four outputs yet myself. Besides, Aleph only has two more.

    As mentioned elsewhere, its only four outputs, but that doesn't mean only four tracks of midi data. For instance, you can have kick, snare, and hats all on separate tracks if all outputting to the same app.

    I like your thoroughness, but I don't think I'm inclined to put more time into this to save you the equivalent of the price of a happy meal. ;)

    Thanks for breaking it down. However, this has not one fuck to do with saving me the “cost of a happy meal”.

    I only wanted to know if the $5 version was useful enough for a light midi user like myself. Sorry it took so long for anyone to actually get the gist of my question, but your reply above (minus the happy meal snark) was exactly what I was looking for.

    Thanks for taking the time.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2017

    @Audiojunkie said:
    Hehehe!! Fair enough. There are some people that are big fans of it--though I don't understand why. In your opinion, what are the strengths/weaknesses of Infinite Looper? I don't want an argument either, I'm just curious about its perceived strengths/weaknesses when compared to Xequencer from another viewpoint than my own. :wink:

    Well ... OK, two minutes off the top of my head. IL has:

    • clip launch style workflow, which can be easier for generating ideas and experimenting with combinations.
    • Cool little song-mode thingy that can be a great way to go from clip launch to structure
    • Configurable drum-pads that can send notes, chords, midi cc's
    • Pitch to midi detection
    • IAA hosting (potentially saving a few midi-setup hassles)
    • Built-in mixer (with panning)
    • Built-in sounds
    • Kind of handy that it can be hosted inside AUM for easier app switching.
    • Ability to add notes and lyrics in the song mode thingy.

    Those are just some of the differences that come to mind. But, like I say, they're both fabulous. I wouldn't give up either of them.

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited October 2017

    @SevenSystems said:
    @skiphunt: Normally, you would create automation (controller data) parts (clips) on a separate track as that is easier to work with. However, nothing stops you from recording / drawing up to 3 different controllers, plus notes, into one single part on a single track (they can still be edited separately in the Pianoroll / Controller editor). So with 4 tracks, you can indeed control up to 4 instruments, each with up to 3 separately editable controllers, plus notes.

    You should really get the IAP though. "It's just 2 cups of coffee" (if you're in NYC) ;)

    $9 for 2 cups of coffee? Which hipster BS coffee shack is this? Some “artisanal” “handcrafted” swill somewhere in Williamsburg?

    Last time I crashed at my buddy’s Greenpoint digs, the Starbucks down the street was still selling a decent tall coffee for about $2 ;)

    Thanks for the detailed info though. Sounds like it’s worth taking a spin.

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited October 2017

    @skiphunt said:
    $9 for 2 cups of coffee? Which hipster BS coffee shack is this? Some “artisanal” “handcrafted” swill somewhere in Williamsburg?

    I don't know, I've never even been to NYC! :o But even in this shady Irish Cafe next door, a decent coffee is $3 :|

  • DCJDCJ

    @skiphunt said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    @skiphunt: Normally, you would create automation (controller data) parts (clips) on a separate track as that is easier to work with. However, nothing stops you from recording / drawing up to 3 different controllers, plus notes, into one single part on a single track (they can still be edited separately in the Pianoroll / Controller editor). So with 4 tracks, you can indeed control up to 4 instruments, each with up to 3 separately editable controllers, plus notes.

    You should really get the IAP though. "It's just 2 cups of coffee" (if you're in NYC) ;)

    $9 for 2 cups of coffee? Which hipster BS coffee shack is this? Some “artisanal” “handcrafted” swill somewhere in Williamsburg?

    Last time I crashed at my buddy’s Greenpoint digs, the Starbucks down the street was still selling a decent tall coffee for about $2 ;)

    Thanks for the detailed info though. Sounds like it’s worth taking a spin.

    Reporting live from NYC, I'm sorry to say... but the $2 coffee is dead. :( :( :(

    On another note, I don't need this app... but the developer is doing a great job making me think I need this app. So... I probably need this app.

  • AudiojunkieAudiojunkie

    @wim said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @wim said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Other than being universal, does this bring anything more to the table than modstep or midisteps?

    It’s different than those two. Modstep is clip based and MidiSTEPs is....uh can’t think how to describe MidiSTEPs. Xequence is linear. Think Cubasis without any instruments, just midi. For me the main draw is it works on iPhone. But it’s also just very well executed. Unless you’re feeling the need for something that works on iPhone, you probably don’t need it.

    On the iPhone, for sequencing only, how would this compare to aleph looper?

    Xequencer completely blows away Aleph looper. Completely. They are two different beasts though. Aleph is a small pattern-based midi recorder; Xequencer is a full blown easy to use linear MIDI sequencer. Aside from them both using MIDI, there isn't too much to compare. :wink:

    I completely disagree. I'm a huge Xequence fan, but I also think Infinite Looper is equally powerful, and in some ways more so. They are both outstanding at what they do ... they just do it substantially differently.

    OK, so I'm basing what I say on Infinite Looper, not Aleph Looper, but I think they're the same thing aren't they?

    Not going to get into an argument, but your characterization of Aleph being just "a small pattern-based midi recorder" is too far off the mark to just let pass without voicing a strong disagreement for the record.

    Hehehe!! Fair enough. There are some people that are big fans of it--though I don't understand why. In your opinion, what are the strengths/weaknesses of Infinite Looper? I don't want an argument either, I'm just curious about its perceived strengths/weaknesses when compared to Xequencer from another viewpoint than my own. :wink:

    Bleh. Subject is kind of boring me at this point. They're both great. I'm glad I have them both. Don't really care if anyone else risks their life savings over either any more. B)

    It’s all good! :smile:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I’m not even a midi junkie but on the iPhone his app is awesome! On iPad too but haven’t had a chance to use there since I’ve been really busy beta testing Navichord. But I really like how everything has been really thought out for old school midi and with the upcoming AB3 and Link updates, I think I’m going to really dig this app so much more.

  • MAtrixplanMAtrixplan
    edited October 2017

    I would love to see a video.
    clip launch style workflow, which can be easier for generating ideas and experimenting with combinations.

    +1

  • wimwim
    edited October 2017

    @MAtrixplan said:

    I would love to see a video.
    clip launch style workflow, which can be easier for generating ideas and experimenting with combinations.

    +1

    I’m not a fan of thread hijacking. But you could check here for starters.

  • RajahPRajahP

    Can someone PLEASE make a video for this app...

  • JonLewisJonLewis

    @SevenSystems I’ve only been at it for two days but I’m really digging this. Any chance of incorporating a pitch bend wheel?

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