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Hmm.. I'm just thinking loudly here... Would the new AudioKit SDK make it easier for Patrick to port his stuff over to iOS?(I'm no programmer so I have no idea on how much extra would be needed).
I'm lost here... the topic is "Roland Juno Chorus on iOS" -> I've released FAC Chorus on iOS and OSX since few months. Lot of Juno Chorus lovers already get the same feel they had with the chorus module of their Juno 106 Chorus with FAC Chorus (and for a very very light price). Do you need more ? There are already some great synths on iOS, take one and then put FAC Chorus on it. That's it
I love FAC Chorus and I think the demand for the 'TAL Originals' comes from the fact that many have used them on the desktop including me. The TAL-U-NO-LX beats the Boutique JU-06 hand's down for the 'Juno' Sound' and it's pretty darn close to my own Juno-106 but with more features
(FAC Chorus and Cubasis Micrologue is a really sweet combination).
The TAL plugins were developed with JUCE
fair enough.I totally understand you but it is as it is now.I decided to give it a fair chance and the sound is close enough for my needs.It gives me insta oldschool Roland feeling is cheap and small.Do i wanted it to be more than they delivered?Sure but it's just a few years ago when Roland did not deliver AT ALL
Thanks for asking. As some background, TAL Plugins were written in C++ and JUCE. His open-source synths were one of the first "complete" code examples of a professional VSTs available. Myself and (probably many of the iOS and desktop music developers here) learned a lot from his code.
Realistically, JUCE is much better suited to pro audio development than AudioKit. However, JUCE requires a great deal more skill. And, has a bit of a learning curve for the average developer. Audio programming is incredibly difficult. (Although, some folks here make it look easy). AudioKit is geared towards making audio development principles more accessible to beginner/average/pro iOS developers who want to add audio to their apps or take the first steps into the world of pro audio development.
I'm always happy to hear, that i can trust my ears, i feel the same way. Also applies to the SH-101 TAL-Plugin vs the Boutique...
So much in this business is marketing. ACB "Analogue Circuit Behaviour". They had all the original schematics, consulted with the engineers who built the originals, and this one guy from Switzerland just owns them. It's amazing!
This stuff is so fascinating to me. This is gonna be like the music tech talk of future generations, where it's all about how certain plugins are coded. They have a nice website setup, with interviews of the Korg Gadget engineers e.g juce.com
@samu is NOT a programmer... I am completely shocked. You hold such vast knowledge regarding music software, music hardware, iOS, desktop environment, music technology history, etc. I guess I just assumed you must be at least dabbling in making this stuff.
I'm just a 'geek' with interest in things that make a beep. I lack the patience and my eyesight is no longer as good as it once used to be. On the C64 & Amiga I made some crazy stuff for my own amusement. I was on the beta-team for the Mac port of Renoise and prior to that deeply involved in another MacTracker called PlayerPro as well as some (for the time) advanced C64 emulator called Power64. I do try to help out with testing of apps and feed ideas when I can and currently BM3 takes some of my time
It's awesome that thisTAL guy is doing better sounding stuff than Roland but unfortunately he's not doing hardware.
Neither is Roland, unless you consider software running on a DSP-chip, inside a case with Knobs and Faders "Hardware".
An iPad with a synth app is as much a hardware as a Roland Boutique, except the SE-02.
Are you on a crusade or what?Yes,to me the boutiques are as much hardware as any other digital synth.it absolutely doesn't matter how it looks inside those boxes so i couldn't care less.I use them for making music and believe it or not,it works surprisingly good.And no,native software with a generic midi controller is NOT the same.Roland must have really hurt you but i recommend to get over it.
Thx 4 your concern buddy, but i'm fine, since i'm not the one who paid them any money. In all seriousness, i'm happy for you, that you're enjoying your boutiques, i wish i could too. I guess my ears are just too good.
Btw, Digital Synth ≠ Roland Boutique. A DX7 should not be lumped in with those atrocities.
If you can trip over it it’s hardware.
Lol!
@FredAntonCorvest: FAC Chorus looks good. App description didn't specify if this is AUv3 or AB2/3 compatible, or both. I assume both, but thought I'd ask before buying since this thread is about FAC Chorus (and some minor Roland bashing - which I need to jump in on...).
Re: Roland bashing
Just choose your poison folks. My Roland Gear: Gaia, JD-800, JX-8P w/PG-800, MKs-50 w/PG-300. I can trip over my iPad (if I try hard) but really fun hardware has lots of knobs!
OK my JV-2080 and Integra don't have many knobs, but when Roland puts their mind to it they can make some great gear. Spoke to my local Guitar Center synth guy yesterday and he said they just don't sell many real synths so the store is stocked with Yamaha piano-based keyboards because they mostly sell to church bands. Roland probably makes low end synths due to the competion from other manufacturers low-end synths & VSTs. And to be fair, low end synths ought to only be compared to other low end synths, really.
My 2 cents worth. Peace - out!
Yes!
I honestly did laugh out loud.
Lol, you have the good shit, no bashing here...JX-8P sounds amazing to my ears. I'm only hating on their current stuff, because the company has lost/sold its soul, and is just cashing out on their legendary name and IP. Roland Boutique is not only ridiculously overpriced, they are for the most part sad copies of great synths. Korg pushed them into this market with their Volca series, which are 50% of the price of a boutique, but they're awesome. It's not about being "low-end", it's about the value for the money asked, and Boutique is horrible, and Volca is awesome.
And they're only getting away with it, because enough people buy it, when it actually should be boycotted. The form factor is idiotic for most of the synths, like the new D-50 e.g. Without the PG-1000,it is unusable, and instead of creating a new one with the PG-1000 already built in, they shrink the D-50 into this stupid formfactor with an even smaller display as the original 30 FUCKING YEARS LATER. I get enraged just thinking about it
Glad to read that you love it!
It's AUv3, no AB3 yet. Supported on iOS and macOS as well more info here http://fredantoncorvest.com
Yours is a good cogent and reasonable argument. I see your point, and now have me agreeing with you.
If it has a crackley cracklepot, it is hardware. Maybe not everyone's hardware, but all of my hardware seems to have at least one.
Yes, iOSSoundDesign does have a reasonable argument. I've noted that Roland tends to release really nice user friendly synths (as opposed to sample based 'keyboards' with sounds mimicking acoustic instruments) in cycles and a lot of what is released in between is not my cup of tea. The JD-DA looks interesting (haven't got my hands on one yet) but the JD-Xi does not. But perhaps to someone starting out the JD-Xi would work nicely. I call these 'low end' synths since they don't have the $1-1,500+ price tags. They can still be useable - I have a couple (not Roland) just for some different sounds.
Subjective terms will vary accorging to the user's musical tastes/genres. Every time I've heard a Volca demo it sounded a bit Chip Tune (not exactly) to my ears and I don't like that genre. Could be that Volca can do a whole lot more, but I'm not really the target market/demographic for those I think.
Your point about making steps backwards 30 years on is valid. I also find PC DAWs to be far too complicated at times and think that since I started in the 90's computers haven't gotten out of the 'too many headaches' stage. With 30 years development it should be real simple now, but maybe it's just me going through headaches at the moment. Longing for the days when you just hooked up MIDI & Audio cables and you were able to make music.
Nice! A JX-8P is going to be my next Ebay purchase.
Has anyone used the iPad alternative to the PG-800?
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipg-800/id542179981?mt=8
Played one at school in my early years...
This one is pretty close
https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/
(There are so many 'free' VST's out there makes me wonder if it's worth it to ask for iOS versions).
It's awesome that we can talk about this stuff! I have an issue with the direction they're taking the company, or at least the synth division. They're essentially transforming it into a software subdivision. From a marketing and business standpoint, it looks kinda genius. They are limiting their VST software synth availability via a mandatory cloud subscription, much like Adobe or others. They're using the same DSP code on cheap-ish external sound modules (Boutique) which they sell at ridiculously high prices. So if you want "that" sound, you have to pick your poison.
Now, their emulations aren't even very good, as we've outlined earlier. Their ACB modeling doesn't deliver the results their marketing implies. But their legendary brand name carries them anyway. They appeal to the "collectors" urge as well. They do what every great marketer does, they distort reality, where they make you believe that you can have the sound of a Jupiter-8 for just 400€ bucks in a tiny little box on your desk. But that box is worth 99€ tops. It is just a mediocre plugin. They have done an amazing job of cashing in on their past glory.
They don't want to compete in the marketplace of "real" synthesizers anymore, because they think they don't need to. Behringers Deepmind 12 Desktop is now at the price point of two Roland JP-08, which you have to daisy chain anyway to even get 8 voices. Think about that real hard. A 12-Voice analog synth with 24 Oscillators, amazing sound, amazing effects etc at the same price point as two 4-voice Roland boutiques, with tiny flimsy little faders and a crappy speaker.
A freaking ipad with the Korg iWavestation app is at the same price point, as the "new" Roland D-05 (D-50 Boutique), and it is so much more usable than the D-05, which they preloaded with 500 presets, because they know that nobody will edit their sounds on that interface in 2017.
They sold out, and they ain't coming back. It's an exit scam.
I've seen that iPad PG-800 app, although I haven't tried it, but that is just the sort of smart ideas to use iOS to bridge the gap with old hardware that I think we need more of. Like AudioBus! (Trying to keep mindful of what forum I am on...)
I tried your Chorus now and it is indeed very nice,thanks for that!
Case closed for me,i'm out.
I'm tempted to get in a flame war here but I will just say, put a JU-06, SH-01A, SE-02, and a TR-8 on a table and try not to have an amazing time.
not only that, i’ve seen plenty of big -talkers embarass themselves in blind shootouts.
i for one love my ju-06 and am happy that it is so small, don’t have to deal with failing voice chips or size and have dedicated controls at my fingertips. sounds fantastic to me. but live and let live,..whoever doesn’t want to buy one doesn’t need to. just as i am amazed that there are fans of the d-50, m1 reissues. those don’t make ANY sense to me but many are happy.
Not wanting to get in a flame war here either but... as I stated earlier in the thread, most would not know the difference in a true blind test. Also, I don’t get the love for the Volcas. I had keys and bass and they were crap IMHO. Noisy with lousy filters. Maybe they’re “analog” but the overall implementation is not great. At least my Boutiques sound and act pretty close to the originals which I also owned. In a mix you’d not know the difference. If I wanted true analog I’d look to some of the boutique manufacturers like Dreadbox.