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Korg Electribe Wave

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  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Fair comparison is handy for use scenarios. Done right, it’s all fun to discuss them both. After all, it’s very rarely needs to be competitive as we who compare buy mos of the apps anyway. Even the ones who fence sit often usually give in and buy eventually.

    We are like binge drinkers discussing the merits of different brews - we will taste them all eventually ;)

    Agree fully, however there is a human tendency to push this one down while pulling that one up which in these cases seems unfair (especially to Jim!)...

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Fair comparison is handy for use scenarios. Done right, it’s all fun to discuss them both. After all, it’s very rarely needs to be competitive as we who compare buy mos of the apps anyway. Even the ones who fence sit often usually give in and buy eventually.

    We are like binge drinkers discussing the merits of different brews - we will taste them all eventually ;)

    Agree fully, however there is a human tendency to push this one down while pulling that one up which in these cases seems unfair (especially to Jim!)...

    I think Jim has broad shoulders and knows his app is loved (judging by the long GR16 thread) :)

  • edited September 2018

    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    160 patterns allowing you to mix and match and perform live.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I think it’s the immediacy of the interface you can start working in straight away and the quicker workflow from the relatively limited set of options. This doesn’t replace Gadget for me but does seem to offer that feeling of a groovebox you can just turn on and start making noise as quickly as possible (much more intuitively than Grooverider did in my case) which is just what I want sometimes when the inspiration strikes.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I just enjoy the ‘focused’ nature of Electribe Wave. Don’t get me wrong, i love Gadget and could probably pull off similar tracks in it, but honestly i just find it easier to get up and jamming in Electribe...it matches the way i think about composing...in clips and patterns.

    Now is Electribe Wave essential for me? No. Is it a great instrument for my toolkit. Yes. Big Yes.

    Anyhoo...in the end we all use what brings us flow and allows us to create. It doesn’t matter what the app is, all that matters is your relationship to the instrument/app and the outcomes it produces for your style of music.

  • @echoopera said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I just enjoy the ‘focused’ nature of Electribe Wave. Don’t get me wrong, i love Gadget and could probably pull off similar tracks in it, but honestly i just find it easier to get up and jamming in Electribe...it matches the way i think about composing...in clips and patterns.

    Now is Electribe Wave essential for me? No. Is it a great instrument for my toolkit. Yes. Big Yes.

    Anyhoo...in the end we all use what brings us flow and allows us to create. It doesn’t matter what the app is, all that matters is your relationship to the instrument/app and the outcomes it produces for your style of music.

    Echo, I admittedly haven't devoted much time to learning it. I am drawn to the quick ability to morph a sound. But I'm totally flummoxed by the disconnect between Pattern, Program and Song.
    What is your process? Where are you starting? The raw waveforms are pretty flat. Are you tweaking presets? Is there a quick way to delete the midi from a pattern while retaining the sounds? I keep finding that I'm clearing a pattern, and starting a song, and then suddenly some insane "Night at the Roxbury" remix is blasting because I'm in the wrong pattern...or is it song?

    Apparently people in this situation will read a "manual."

  • @echoopera said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I just enjoy the ‘focused’ nature of Electribe Wave. Don’t get me wrong, i love Gadget and could probably pull off similar tracks in it, but honestly i just find it easier to get up and jamming in Electribe...it matches the way i think about composing...in clips and patterns.

    Now is Electribe Wave essential for me? No. Is it a great instrument for my toolkit. Yes. Big Yes.

    Anyhoo...in the end we all use what brings us flow and allows us to create. It doesn’t matter what the app is, all that matters is your relationship to the instrument/app and the outcomes it produces for your style of music.

    Nice post.

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    160 patterns allowing you to mix and match and perform live.

    @adrift said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I think it’s the immediacy of the interface you can start working in straight away and the quicker workflow from the relatively limited set of options. This doesn’t replace Gadget for me but does seem to offer that feeling of a groovebox you can just turn on and start making noise as quickly as possible (much more intuitively than Grooverider did in my case) which is just what I want sometimes when the inspiration strikes.

    @echoopera said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I just enjoy the ‘focused’ nature of Electribe Wave. Don’t get me wrong, i love Gadget and could probably pull off similar tracks in it, but honestly i just find it easier to get up and jamming in Electribe...it matches the way i think about composing...in clips and patterns.

    Now is Electribe Wave essential for me? No. Is it a great instrument for my toolkit. Yes. Big Yes.

    Anyhoo...in the end we all use what brings us flow and allows us to create. It doesn’t matter what the app is, all that matters is your relationship to the instrument/app and the outcomes it produces for your style of music.

    Thanks guys, genuine curiosity on my part as I don’t have the app.

    Funnily enough I just tried to create something similar in (desktop) Maschine and it was incredibly hard work, and sounded rubbish in comparison.

    Ok, quicker jammable workflow is a definite tick for me.

  • Having enjoyed using many of the original Electribes up to the EMX/ESX series (and being disappointed overall with the Electribe 2 series), this is almost exactly what I wished Korg had done with the iElectribe instead of just doing a drum machine, except for not having sample import, which knowing Korg they’ll want us to buy a separate Electribe Wave Sampler app, and then buy a separate iPhone version of both...etc., and always leaving out a few potentially crucial features than is ideal, presumably so people would keep buying their latest products.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    Used Gadget today controlled by Xequence - great combo. Problem is Gadget still makes my Air2 run like a hot plate!

  • edited September 2018

    @MonzoPro said:

    @LucidMusicInc said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    160 patterns allowing you to mix and match and perform live.

    @adrift said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I think it’s the immediacy of the interface you can start working in straight away and the quicker workflow from the relatively limited set of options. This doesn’t replace Gadget for me but does seem to offer that feeling of a groovebox you can just turn on and start making noise as quickly as possible (much more intuitively than Grooverider did in my case) which is just what I want sometimes when the inspiration strikes.

    @echoopera said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    I just enjoy the ‘focused’ nature of Electribe Wave. Don’t get me wrong, i love Gadget and could probably pull off similar tracks in it, but honestly i just find it easier to get up and jamming in Electribe...it matches the way i think about composing...in clips and patterns.

    Now is Electribe Wave essential for me? No. Is it a great instrument for my toolkit. Yes. Big Yes.

    Anyhoo...in the end we all use what brings us flow and allows us to create. It doesn’t matter what the app is, all that matters is your relationship to the instrument/app and the outcomes it produces for your style of music.

    Thanks guys, genuine curiosity on my part as I don’t have the app.

    Funnily enough I just tried to create something similar in (desktop) Maschine and it was incredibly hard work, and sounded rubbish in comparison.

    Ok, quicker jammable workflow is a definite tick for me.

    yah, it is all about the scrubby jammy wavetable thing to me. (The wubbah screech finger painting factor) I can do it in Synthmaster One in BM3 but it is slower, however for a more synth science-y person the sonic potential of Synthmaster One seems much higher as far as fidelity (bits n filters n such) but it is less happy accident stumble/wander friendly. So I can get more 'interesting' quicker experiments with KEW but at the expense of lovely fidelity. So for me Synthmaster One/Zeeon etc are king for smooth lush preset tweaking while KEW is great for 'just let the tape record and jam away on scrubby wubby and fx', dissect the audio results after.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    Used Gadget today controlled by Xequence - great combo. Problem is Gadget still makes my Air2 run like a hot plate!

    Weirdly with my jam last night, the battery didn’t take that much of a hit, or heat up as much as usual. I’ll have another go tonight, maybe it’s been addressed in the last update.

  • I quite like the look of the workflow of this, but I'm not impressed with the way it sounds and because you are locked into this, I'm holding off for now. But it does look fun :)

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    I whipped Gadget out last night - first time in ages. Two drum channels plus about four synths, and had a go at making something like our mate echoopera has been doing.

    Unless I’m missing something, I got something very similar, working with a single part, muting channels, and mucking about with the filters. For a bit of variety I could have added a second part and transposed it.

    Not trying to piss on the KEW party, just genuinely curious what difference KEW is bringing to the table.

    I’m aware of the KEW workflow/fun element, but doing it via Gadget was hardly a chore.

    Used Gadget today controlled by Xequence - great combo. Problem is Gadget still makes my Air2 run like a hot plate!

    Weirdly with my jam last night, the battery didn’t take that much of a hit, or heat up as much as usual. I’ll have another go tonight, maybe it’s been addressed in the last update.

    Gadget is still draining my battery. So I don’t believe anything has been done in the last update, and there’s no new update available yet. The heat issue for me occurs when using Lisbon.

  • @Carnbot said:
    I quite like the look of the workflow of this, but I'm not impressed with the way it sounds and because you are locked into this, I'm holding off for now. But it does look fun :)

    The presets patterns suck, there's no denying that. First thing I do with any Korg Electribe is delete all the stock content and make myself a preset templace pattern to use. The wavetable synth in KEW is pretty damn robust and capable of a lot more variety than most the demos show.

  • @echoopera said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @echoopera said:
    Oh what to do on a Holiday ya might ask?

    Make some music i say

    You are on a streak my friend. Ride it hard until the pony collapses.

    Thanks mate!

    Taking the pony out tonight for some heady laps with no blinders on...sorry for any broken car side mirrors...

    going in a new way but not really...keep the window open as they say hello, tomorrow is never as golden as they say unless you have the suns rays at your back...so just drift away for now and let it all sync within...

    That is really good. I’ve had a few concerns about the closed/limited sounds thing but the synth patches you’re using in that one are spot on, so I’d be more than happy with that as a sound palette.

    I think that track might have done the trick for me...

  • edited September 2018

    @Tarekith said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I quite like the look of the workflow of this, but I'm not impressed with the way it sounds and because you are locked into this, I'm holding off for now. But it does look fun :)

    The presets patterns suck, there's no denying that. First thing I do with any Korg Electribe is delete all the stock content and make myself a preset templace pattern to use. The wavetable synth in KEW is pretty damn robust and capable of a lot more variety than most the demos show.

    I would agree on everything you said but this popping thing has to been resolved or I can't use any of the bass lines i created in its current state.

  • R_2R_2
    edited September 2018

    @MonzoPro said:
    Weirdly with my jam last night, the battery didn’t take that much of a hit, or heat up as much as usual. I’ll have another go tonight, maybe it’s been addressed in the last update.

    Gadget still has the battery/heat problem on my iPad and iPhone. Depends a bit on which screen is open, the combined gadget with pianoroll screen is the worst.

  • edited September 2018

    @MonzoPro said:

    @echoopera said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @echoopera said:
    Oh what to do on a Holiday ya might ask?

    Make some music i say

    You are on a streak my friend. Ride it hard until the pony collapses.

    Thanks mate!

    Taking the pony out tonight for some heady laps with no blinders on...sorry for any broken car side mirrors...

    going in a new way but not really...keep the window open as they say hello, tomorrow is never as golden as they say unless you have the suns rays at your back...so just drift away for now and let it all sync within...

    That is really good. I’ve had a few concerns about the closed/limited sounds thing but the synth patches you’re using in that one are spot on, so I’d be more than happy with that as a sound palette.

    I think that track might have done the trick for me...

    Thanks. Glad you like it. I just auditioned existing Patches from the default Patterns and tuned and tweaked them to my liking for all of the pieces I’ve posted to date. In other words i haven’t created anything from scratch and have just used stuff that ships with the app <3 o:)

  • edited September 2018

    @db909 said:
    @davis_korgrd will there be an iPhone version?

    IIRC iPhone version is on the schedule.

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    They left out the ####ing modwheel on Stockholm when an entire section of the thing’s UI is catered to assigning controls to the modwheel. The response given was it was left out because the UI was already cluttered. My response: bull####. The problem at BORG as I see it is compartmentalised teams working under unreasonable arbitrary deadlines to push out new products on “schedule” and then as soon as their out they barely even announce it.

    I just want to say that that wasn't an issue with communication or compartmentalization - I did the design, which was then reviewed and agreed upon by other people on the team. I'm sorry you don't like the decision ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    @Rich303 said:
    Thanks @davis_korgrd for getting this issue resolved.

    I didn't do anything, but you're welcome haha

  • @davis_korgrd said:

    @db909 said:
    @davis_korgrd will there be an iPhone version?

    IIRC iPhone version is on the schedule.

    Very cool.

  • edited September 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:

    @db909 said:
    @davis_korgrd will there be an iPhone version?

    IIRC iPhone version is on the schedule.

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    They left out the ####ing modwheel on Stockholm when an entire section of the thing’s UI is catered to assigning controls to the modwheel. The response given was it was left out because the UI was already cluttered. My response: bull####. The problem at BORG as I see it is compartmentalised teams working under unreasonable arbitrary deadlines to push out new products on “schedule” and then as soon as their out they barely even announce it.

    I just want to say that that wasn't an issue with communication or compartmentalization - I did the design, which was then reviewed and agreed upon by other people on the team. I'm sorry you don't like the decision ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    @Rich303 said:
    Thanks @davis_korgrd for getting this issue resolved.

    I didn't do anything, but you're welcome haha

    I feel that the mod wheel control should have been placed in the highlighted area as the loop selector does nothing special on the synth screen.

    As I said in my post I feel that you guys are usually about 98% on point but there’s always that one little missing 2% that makes perfectionists like me want to pull their hair out. I don’t need a mod wheel to enjoy the Gadget but having a control on the UI assigned to a nonexistent control on the gadget feels having a parachute without a ripcord. Of course all would be forgiven again if Gadget got an Electribe styled assignable Kaos Pad.

    And since we’re airing grievances we need to talk about preset sounds and demo songs... on second thought let’s not go there. :#

  • @LucidMusicInc said:

    I feel that the mod wheel control should have been placed in the highlighted area as the loop selector does nothing special on the synth screen.

    Agreed, ‘Select loop’ is pointless there, a modwheel and pitchbend would’ve made more sense.

  • edited September 2018

    @davis_korgrd said:

    @db909 said:
    @davis_korgrd will there be an iPhone version?

    IIRC iPhone version is on the schedule.

    @LucidMusicInc said:
    They left out the ####ing modwheel on Stockholm when an entire section of the thing’s UI is catered to assigning controls to the modwheel. The response given was it was left out because the UI was already cluttered. My response: bull####. The problem at BORG as I see it is compartmentalised teams working under unreasonable arbitrary deadlines to push out new products on “schedule” and then as soon as their out they barely even announce it.

    I just want to say that that wasn't an issue with communication or compartmentalization - I did the design, which was then reviewed and agreed upon by other people on the team. I'm sorry you don't like the decision ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    @Rich303 said:
    Thanks @davis_korgrd for getting this issue resolved.

    I didn't do anything, but you're welcome haha

    Mind you the popping issue is not resolved. Hoping it will before the sale finishes and thanks for looking into it.

  • edited September 2018

    Initially I loved the idea of this app. It seemed compact, unlike Gadget, for developing a full idea. I've had fun messing with it, but the tedium of arranging patterns with tasteful precision, copy pasting, wanting to make drum variations, etc just makes me realize this isn't the way I like to make music.

    I'm glad I gave it a try, but I just don't see how some of you do it with a workflow of what is basically clips and loops. I can't even begin to approach the naturalness of just hitting record and playing guitar, then layering bass and synth over it in the same manner.

    I wish I could be a little more eloquent right now about what clashes with me and my approach, there's some discussion I'd like to have with those who do get along with this type of songmaker. But eh it's 5 am need sleep.

  • I really think it’s time we got demos of apps like these. So we can see if we get a long with it. That’s the issue with Groovebox apps for me, you never really know if you’ll gel with the workflow until you’ve spent time learning it. I remember reading iOS 12 might bring demo possibilities but not sure if that was just a rumour.

  • edited September 2018

    @oat_phipps said:
    Initially I loved the idea of this app. It seemed compact, unlike Gadget, for developing a full idea. I've had fun messing with it, but the tedium of arranging patterns with tasteful precision, copy pasting, wanting to make drum variations, etc just makes me realize this isn't the way I like to make music.

    I'm glad I gave it a try, but I just don't see how some of you do it with a workflow of what is basically clips and loops. I can't even begin to approach the naturalness of just hitting record and playing guitar, then layering bass and synth over it in the same manner.

    I wish I could be a little more eloquent right now about what clashes with me and my approach, there's some discussion I'd like to have with those who do get along with this type of songmaker. But eh it's 5 am need sleep.

    The Electribe isn’t a DAW it’s a drum machine with a synth component. If you want songwriting use GarageBand or Cubasis or possibly Beatmaker. This is a tool you can use to jam with.

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  • @oat_phipps said:
    Initially I loved the idea of this app. It seemed compact, unlike Gadget, for developing a full idea. I've had fun messing with it, but the tedium of arranging patterns with tasteful precision, copy pasting, wanting to make drum variations, etc just makes me realize this isn't the way I like to make music.

    I'm glad I gave it a try, but I just don't see how some of you do it with a workflow of what is basically clips and loops. I can't even begin to approach the naturalness of just hitting record and playing guitar, then layering bass and synth over it in the same manner.

    This is the useful sort of feedback I've been waiting for - how users are getting on with it a week later.

    The app looks like one of those 'dive in and have fun' things that I love, but then drift away from after a few weeks. I've bought an awful lot of them over the years - not an issue of it's a fiver or a tenner, but for 20 quid I want to be sure it's going to be used long-term.

    Still interested in this one, but it'll be interesting to see how everyone is feeling about it in a week or two.

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