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I’m curious, why is GarageBand rarely used by iOS musicians?

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  • edited September 2018

    @senhorlampada said:
    @Janosax and @richardyot
    Thanks for that feedback and tips :open_mouth:

    BTW, another one regarding touch instruments. If you're using it with the Autoplay function, if you touch the bar with 1, 2 or 3 fingers makes a difference on the riff :smile:

    And if you're using strings, try playing it slow, with a fast stab and just tapping for different dynamics :smiley:

    That’s crazy very nice tips here too thanks!!! :)

  • edited September 2018

    Talk about discoverability 😂 (yes, I belong to the "Every single feature should have a button or menu entry" faction. Or AT LEAST some kind of label or icon that hints at it. Call me old-fashioned 😉).

  • I like Garageband, but it’s lack of reasonable time signature support and other inflexibilities mentioned stop me from using it most of the time. Really bad MIDI implementation too.

  • edited September 2018

    In addition to everything already said by others - no keyboard/instrument animations in playback mode to create tutorial videos. Apple could do better animations :neutral:

  • @u0421793 said:
    It’s got electrolytes.

    Yeahh! a quote from one of my all time favourite movies :D

  • Too many damn animations makes me feel like I’m always waiting for it to catch up to what I’m trying to do. It’s a shame cause that’s the only problem I have it with it, but it’s a total deal killer. I can’t make music with something that feels like it’s constantly slowing me down or interrupting me.

    Worst design choice ever. If they ever remove the animations or allow users to optionally turn them off, let me know. Stupid stupid stupid animations. Honestly I would fire the guy who suggested them if I were in that room on that day. Just straight up “OUT!”

  • Me if I was the head manager on GB:

    Team member: “hey boss, check this out”
    -shows me animations

    Me: “pack your shit and get hell out, you’ll never work in this town again kid! I’ll make sure of it!”

  • @db909 said:
    Too many damn animations makes me feel like I’m always waiting for it to catch up to what I’m trying to do. It’s a shame cause that’s the only problem I have it with it, but it’s a total deal killer. I can’t make music with something that feels like it’s constantly slowing me down or interrupting me.

    Worst design choice ever. If they ever remove the animations or allow users to optionally turn them off, let me know. Stupid stupid stupid animations. Honestly I would fire the guy who suggested them if I were in that room on that day. Just straight up “OUT!”

    ;) a little HINT of an animation is fine so that the user still subconsciously gets a sense of context change. Hint = max. 0.3 seconds or so.

    But the animations in GarageBand almost SCREAM "look at me! I'm so damn fancy and smooooooth! I rotate almost like a real pianoroll... errr wait".

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @db909 said:
    Too many damn animations makes me feel like I’m always waiting for it to catch up to what I’m trying to do. It’s a shame cause that’s the only problem I have it with it, but it’s a total deal killer. I can’t make music with something that feels like it’s constantly slowing me down or interrupting me.

    Worst design choice ever. If they ever remove the animations or allow users to optionally turn them off, let me know. Stupid stupid stupid animations. Honestly I would fire the guy who suggested them if I were in that room on that day. Just straight up “OUT!”

    ;) a little HINT of an animation is fine so that the user still subconsciously gets a sense of context change. Hint = max. 0.3 seconds or so.

    But the animations in GarageBand almost SCREAM "look at me! I'm so damn fancy and smooooooth! I rotate almost like a real pianoroll... errr wait".

    :D So true!

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I get the impression that sometimes people confuse "people that participate in the Audiobus forum" with "people that make music on iOS devices".

    >

    100% The very fact that this is a forum already skews it into a very niche weirdo cult that in and of itself is super fragmented.

    I feel the urge to copy/past your perfect nugget into about a half dozen active threads right now.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    I get the impression that sometimes people confuse "people that participate in the Audiobus forum" with "people that make music on iOS devices".

    >

    100% The very fact that this is a forum already skews it into a very niche weirdo cult that in and of itself is super fragmented.

    I feel the urge to copy/past your perfect nugget into about a half dozen active threads right now.

    Take care son. You will be cursed and sent to everlasting torment if you reveal any of the deep mysteries of the ritual or of the seven levels of the enlightened path. You have been warned.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    I ask myself all the time why I can’t get myself to use Garage Band. I mean, the drummer is excellent, the new drum sequencer is some of the best UI design ever, lots of quality instruments and idea generators right at hand ...

    I think I might use it a little more if it just had IAA or AudioBus output.

    That’s it. I think. It’s the snobbishness of the whole thing. “Sniff ... why should we Apple be forced to associate with these other dirty little unwashed apps? It’s positively uncivilized dahling...”

    Sigh. A victim of my own low-class reverse discrimination. How sad.

  • Honestly I have never tried it, so I cannot comment on any advantages or disadvantages it may have. I have found that Korg Gadget and Beatmaker3 have all my bases covered as iOS DAWs. I guess it depends on one’s preferred workflows.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    I gotta say, Garage Band’s clip launcher is superb! If something like that showed up in Cubasis, Auria or BM3, or if the mythical Modstep 2 or Loopy Masterpiece are anything like it, they would be unstoppable.

  • edited September 2018

    @Janosax said:
    About stems, here is the tip: just merge each track individually, much faster than export each one of them. Then use Files to copy GB project in AudioShare: all merged audio files will be available as aiff. You can also use AudioShare to zip the project and use its WiFi sharing to import stems on desktop. You can also uses directly airdrop from Files.

    Thanks for the bread crumb trail. I have not used GB much. Is merging a track like freezing?

  • edited September 2018

    @AudioGus said:

    @Janosax said:
    About stems, here is the tip: just merge each track individually, much faster than export each one of them. Then use Files to copy GB project in AudioShare: all merged audio files will be available as aiff. You can also use AudioShare to zip the project and use its WiFi sharing to import stems on desktop. You can also uses directly airdrop from Files.

    Thanks for the bread crumb trail. I have not used GB much. Is merging a track like freezing?

    Yes merge is just like freezing except:

    • it will create a song copy/archive of your pre-merged track, so you can switch back to previous version but it’s not as convenient as a freeze button.
    • merge process add some normalisation, it can be needed to adjust levels when done.
    • you can merge several tracks together, super useful.

    I usually delete all merge song copies when my track is finished.

    As you’re using BM3, it’s the same approach as working/managing audio in such apps. Same applies with Ableton and most samplers, where midi is more just a step/tool in the process of creating audio material.

    I’ve made this video which illustrates that merge feature (you can enable english subtitles on YT):

  • I thjink its great, especially when it comes to what you get for what it cost, It's not my go to , but I when I do use it , for the most part its about recording ides and exporting the session to Logic pro and finishing it there. I kinda find it a little off putting to see another developer bashing it though, thats just me though.

  • GarageBand is so advanced that they have to remove features on every update.

  • @jayfehr said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    What's your data source that iOS musicians rarely use GarageBand?

    I rarely see it mentioned or discussed in this forum in anybody’s workflows

    This is like in gearpage forum .. no one discusses boss pedals ( or rarely) :) :D

  • @jayfehr said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    What's your data source that iOS musicians rarely use GarageBand?

    I rarely see it mentioned or discussed in this forum in anybody’s workflows

    Do a Google search for iOS GarageBand information, like YouTube tutorials, and see how many links you get. Maybe watch some videos and see many talented musicians using the app exclusively or for basic mixes to be finished on desktop. Compare to any other iOS music app. As fantastic as this forum is, it represents a fraction of iOS music-makers.

    GB is also free and by Apple, so that contributes to its visibility and adoption by millions of more casual users. A forum like this draws people who follow iOS music-making closely, are up on everything available, and want to talk about the latest things. GarageBand is either kind of taken for granted here, or it doesn't appeal to the users who like to set up more elaborate inter-app systems, and play with more cutting edge sound design---stuff that generally inspires more conversation than just your basic fire up GB and make simple multi-track music like we've done for ages.

  • edited September 2018

    @SevenSystems said:
    Talk about discoverability 😂 (yes, I belong to the "Every single feature should have a button or menu entry" faction. Or AT LEAST some kind of label or icon that hints at it. Call me old-fashioned 😉).

    Spot on! I second this. There should be a toolbar (or two) on the top with all the options clearly visible - similar to Cubasis. Long-tapping (tap and hold) or tap to reveal popup menus, etc. is challenging to learn it for beginners. Their free Music Memos is a disaster in this respect - so many options are hidden! How many people know MM can detect tempo, signature and chords? How many know that MM can create a 3-track song with vocals, Guitar and Drums and the song could be imported into GB to continue further work? They are not obvious because there is no toolbar of features - just a Record button in the center and 3 buttons on the top :neutral: with so much wasted space! Minimalism doesn't apply to everything - it should be used with moderation.

    My fav features in GB:

    • Drummer
    • DJ-style Live Loops with FX that can also record the performance
    • Swipe up the keys for dyanmic Vibrato (they really nailed this and set an example!)

    As for the hated switching of screens with animations - they could add a button on the top left to popup a dropdown of the Mixer with tracks - we could just tap on a track on the mixer popup and switch the keyboard/instrument without having to go to the tracks.

    Here is the best course on GB from Paul Douglas for $11 - he added some additional chapters on v2.2 and is coming up with an advanced course soon:

    https://www.udemy.com/introducing-garageband-for-ipad/

  • @db909 said:
    Too many damn animations makes me feel like I’m always waiting for it to catch up to what I’m trying to do. It’s a shame cause that’s the only problem I have it with it, but it’s a total deal killer. I can’t make music with something that feels like it’s constantly slowing me down or interrupting me.

    Worst design choice ever. If they ever remove the animations or allow users to optionally turn them off, let me know. Stupid stupid stupid animations. Honestly I would fire the guy who suggested them if I were in that room on that day. Just straight up “OUT!”

    I would fire him too - for "Optimizing for Performance" startup wait on opening a project. Also, I would personally go to his house the next day, apologize profusely, saying it was a misunderstanding, praise him how wonderful he is and how great his skills are and literally beg him to return to the job. After he re-joins, I'll fire him again :smiley:

    Just kidding!

  • @jolico said:
    GarageBand is so advanced that they have to remove features on every update.

    They do that already (by breaking in a new release what was working before :neutral:)

  • edited September 2018

    One of my most favorite GarageBand musicians is Dan Baker. It’s really amazing what he can produce with GB.

    Have a look and have fun! 😊👍

    SKYFALL on GarageBand for iOS!

    The BASS of SPADES - a Motorhead cover...

    Garageband on iPad for iOS 10 / 11: "Together in Electric Dreams" cover video

    Here is another absolute outstanding performance by Firmin Manoury (he is very talented!)

    iPad Band - Hey You (Pink Floyd) cover by Firmin Manoury 😊

    And one more...
    Guitar Solo on iPad - Comfortably Numb by Firmin Manoury

    I like GarageBand for IOS! 👍

  • @Janosax, you’re a freaking genius.. thanks for that ..
    So are you @SevenSystems , your comments and work here are always illuminating..
    There are SO many videos on YouTube where people find workarounds around the limitations, though.. There’s a lot you can do with it.. This is one of those rare occasions when EVERYONE is right. Great thread .

  • I love Garageband. I'd like it if they ditched the song section part though.

  • @Janosax said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Janosax said:
    About stems, here is the tip: just merge each track individually, much faster than export each one of them. Then use Files to copy GB project in AudioShare: all merged audio files will be available as aiff. You can also use AudioShare to zip the project and use its WiFi sharing to import stems on desktop. You can also uses directly airdrop from Files.

    Thanks for the bread crumb trail. I have not used GB much. Is merging a track like freezing?

    Yes merge is just like freezing except:

    • it will create a song copy/archive of your pre-merged track, so you can switch back to previous version but it’s not as convenient as a freeze button.
    • merge process add some normalisation, it can be needed to adjust levels when done.
    • you can merge several tracks together, super useful.

    I usually delete all merge song copies when my track is finished.

    As you’re using BM3, it’s the same approach as working/managing audio in such apps. Same applies with Ableton and most samplers, where midi is more just a step/tool in the process of creating audio material.

    I’ve made this video which illustrates that merge feature (you can enable english subtitles on YT):

    Oh fantastic, thanks! :)

  • Wait... are you trying to tell me I can make music using GarageBand?

    How much is it? I'm itching to buy something... are there IAP's?

  • Hmmm, two projects in now and they both vanished on me... sigh. Re-deleted, I don’t like koto that much.

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @jolico said:
    GarageBand is so advanced that they have to remove features on every update.

    They do that already (by breaking in a new release what was working before :neutral:)

    The funny app it is - Apple added funny Facial Controls to GB:

    If the rumors are true and the next iPad has FaceID, we could do all of this on iPad - no need to buy an iPhone X or Xs.

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