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New Apple video encourages app developers to switch to a subscription model

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  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @brambos said:
    If there's one thing this thread has shown, it's that people around here just love being exceedingly dramatic about some very hypothetical stuff.

    I havent read any dramatic tone. I tend to read these sorts of discussions like we are all in a locker room just snapping each others sexy shiny butts with towels as we slag off the principal.

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited September 2018

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @AudioGus said:

    @brambos said:
    If there's one thing this thread has shown, it's that people around here just love being exceedingly dramatic about some very hypothetical stuff.

    I havent read any dramatic tone. I tend to read these sorts of discussions like we are all in a locker room just snapping each others sexy shiny butts with towels as we slag off the principal.

    That's about it :)

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  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

    :) forum needs a (Towel snap) emoji!

    Perhaps that'll be the next big news from Apple :D

  • ArtmuzzArtmuzz

    If this dreaded subscription model comes about does this mean the end of the App Store gift voucher? The reason I ask is because I stopped using my credit card on iTunes and the App Store a while ago and prefer it that way.

    I also am not keen on this subscription model because I prefer buying apps outright.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

    But it depends of course what type of app it is. If it's a synth then they after completion it really only needs maintenance updates in case it breaks, which should be expected, but if it doesn't happen, then it's down to the developers brand, you'd less likely buy from them again, brand loyalty etc Plus the income stream for that app would be zero unless they fixed it, it's in their interest as much as yours.. For another type of deeper app which has a roadmap/ evolution such as Audulus you get a new version every few years for which you pay another fee. It's still a kind of subscription but one where the customer chooses when/ if they carry on at their own pace. And the original app still functions for as long as the developer decides to keep that version around. This already happens and works with Audiobus 3, Patterning 2, upcoming Audulus 4 etc. This suits casual users far more than having monthly bills.

    If it aint broke etc ;)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Dawdles said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

    :) forum needs a (Towel snap) emoji!

  • jrjuliusjrjulius

    It’s irritating because I have a bad habit of “rediscovering” apps that I bought months or years ago, but it makes a lot of sense for developers to do it this way and allows them to offer greater value over the long term (more iterative, frequent updates with lower risk/income volatility). When the expectation on mobile is that apps will be maintained for the rest of the developer’s natural life, subscription models make that commitment far more palatable.

    Not that I relish the idea of spending $20/year for my favourite app instead of $30 upfront, but if it allows developers to maintain those apps while also keeping a steady income and a solid work/life balance, it will be good for everyone. And as it catches on, it will allow us to try WAY more apps up front and ultimately keep a smaller stable of high-value apps that we actually use.

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    Is this a subscription topic, where we have to have the same discussion every month?

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Is this a subscription topic, where we have to have the same discussion every month?

    Hehe, participation is still voluntary.

    Personally I find my perspective has shifted from the first time it came up so I rather like it.

    Also, there is just so much chaotic change in life now that to try and at least see something as it changes (or is being influenced to change, ala apple video) can be a useful metaphor to apply to other areas.

  • mannixmannix

    @AudioGus said:

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Is this a subscription topic, where we have to have the same discussion every month?

    Hehe, participation is still voluntary.

    Personally I find my perspective has shifted from the first time it came up so I rather like it.

    Also, there is just so much chaotic change in life now that to try and at least see something as it changes (or is being influenced to change, ala apple video) can be a useful metaphor to apply to other areas.

    +1

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  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @mAxjUlien said:
    I just came for the shiny butts and towell smacking?

    As long as you came.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @Carnbot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

    But it depends of course what type of app it is. If it's a synth then they after completion it really only needs maintenance updates in case it breaks, which should be expected, but if it doesn't happen, then it's down to the developers brand, you'd less likely buy from them again, brand loyalty etc Plus the income stream for that app would be zero unless they fixed it, it's in their interest as much as yours.. For another type of deeper app which has a roadmap/ evolution such as Audulus you get a new version every few years for which you pay another fee. It's still a kind of subscription but one where the customer chooses when/ if they carry on at their own pace. And the original app still functions for as long as the developer decides to keep that version around. This already happens and works with Audiobus 3, Patterning 2, upcoming Audulus 4 etc. This suits casual users far more than having monthly bills.

    If it aint broke etc ;)

    Yah for sure, I see eventually a whole spectrum of options with people responding differently to the range. I think the thing with app store music apps right now is the range is not very healthy compared to other platforms. It is weighted super heavily in one area. What Apple outlines in the video to me simply is about filling out the spectrum more and not fantastically mandating anything. Not that I am implying you think that. We seem to be on the same page.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Probably about 80% of appstore purchases are casual and impulse buying, and not applicable to subscription/ long term commitment deals. It would make no sense to wipe out this revenue for Apple, they know people can't subscribe to everything. But it might make sense for certain types of apps which are service/ content driven, which most of our tools aren't. :)

    For me that is fine if you are ok with never getting updates and a dev quitting an app does not blacklist them. You get what you get when you bought it and if the OS changes or you buy a new device dont blame the dev, blame yourself for abandoning the OS/device that it worked on. (Towel snap)

    But it depends of course what type of app it is. If it's a synth then they after completion it really only needs maintenance updates in case it breaks, which should be expected, but if it doesn't happen, then it's down to the developers brand, you'd less likely buy from them again, brand loyalty etc Plus the income stream for that app would be zero unless they fixed it, it's in their interest as much as yours.. For another type of deeper app which has a roadmap/ evolution such as Audulus you get a new version every few years for which you pay another fee. It's still a kind of subscription but one where the customer chooses when/ if they carry on at their own pace. And the original app still functions for as long as the developer decides to keep that version around. This already happens and works with Audiobus 3, Patterning 2, upcoming Audulus 4 etc. This suits casual users far more than having monthly bills.

    If it aint broke etc ;)

    Yah for sure, I see eventually a whole spectrum of options with people responding differently to the range. I think the thing with app store music apps right now is the range is not very healthy compared to other platforms. It is weighted super heavily in one area. What Apple outlines in the video to me simply is about filling out the spectrum more and not fantastically mandating anything. Not that I am implying you think that. We seem to be on the same page.

    Yeah. I'm very pro choice :) i'd like to see more options as well and i think that's where they're heading rather than one way only.

  • mannixmannix
    edited September 2018

    sorry wrong thread

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    Holy crap a towel snap emoji is perfect. There's gotta be one soon

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    It could bring balance to The Force.

  • KühlKühl

    @baldajan said:

    @Kühl said:
    They can’t ask that we subscribe for what we already have bought, can they?

    It’s against Apple’s guideline to ask users to subscribe to IAPs they’ve already purchased. Developers must grandfather users. But I will say, it maybe a gray area when users that bought with the guarantee of unlimated updates and features from the developer (and not just an assumption), may end up having a broken promise, as all new updates/features go towards the subscription, but paid users keep the existing offering...

    For reference: Section 3.1.2(a) Permissible uses of the App Store Review Guidelines

    If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription model for new customers.

    https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#subscriptions

    Thank you for this useful info. I have vacuumed AppStore for apps... usually blaming it on diesel for the car :smile:
    Wife’s are more understanding towards vehicles :smiley:

  • KühlKühl
    edited September 2018

    @supadom said:

    @Kühl said:
    They can’t ask that we subscribe for what we already have bought, can they?

    No but they can stop supporting it and Apple will eventually break it with OS updates.

    The Empire strikes back... eh? Apple is becoming too dark for me. Too big, too much power.
    And I say this with a little teardrop in my left eye.

  • KühlKühl

    @BiancaNeve said:

    @supadom said:

    @Kühl said:
    They can’t ask that we subscribe for what we already have bought, can they?

    No but they can stop supporting it and Apple will eventually break it with OS updates.

    Pretty much all my ipad1 apps still work except where they include 3rd party features like Dropbox etc.

    Hope is Harlot, as lord Byron said in his famous poem. But you gave me hope :smiley:

  • KühlKühl

    @AudioGus said:

    @brambos said:
    If there's one thing this thread has shown, it's that people around here just love being exceedingly dramatic about some very hypothetical stuff.

    I havent read any dramatic tone. I tend to read these sorts of discussions like we are all in a locker room just snapping each others sexy shiny butts with towels as we slag off the principal.

    I think I still have the marks on my butt, as I was the smallest kid.
    But I thankfully got the largest member 😝

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