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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    The SSDs inside of apples new products aren’t ones you can purchase especially not at that price. They’re more expensive than the m2 SSDs that came out a few years ago. Much smaller and faster

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

  • I’m good with pro 10.5, actually I use it alongside air 2 as a duplicate and see no difference other than the size.

    If Apple don’t screw with updates that’s not gonna change for me. Unless I actually go off grid for real this time around.

    Jack removal is such an idiotic decision on a device of this size. What else do you expect from ‘progressives’ like them.

  • @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSDs have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

  • @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

    Yeah I think that’s what I bought.

    128 - 512 is £360, more than five times the price of the Evo (which has supercharged my old MacBook Pro). I can agree they’re probably better - but 5 times the price better?

  • edited October 2018

    Headphone jack is going to be a tough one to get over for me.

    SSD above 500gb in size are still expensive mostly it seems these days. I went all SSD back in 2014 when I bought my iMac. It’s expensive as hell but I could never go back to a regular drive now. Bought a external 1tb Samsung not too long ago and was still crazy expensive.

    Think I’ll be keeping my ipad10.5 pro for another year

  • @ruggedsmooth said:
    Headphone jack is going to be a tough one to get over for me.

    SSD above 500gb in size are still expensive mostly it seems these days. I went all SSD back in 2014 when I bought my iMac. It’s expensive as hell but I could never go back to a regular drive now. Bought a external 1gb Samsung not too long ago and was still crazy expensive.

    I bought an internal SSD, and put it in a £6 caddy. It worked out a lot cheaper than the proper external drives.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

    Yeah I think that’s what I bought.

    128 - 512 is £360, more than five times the price of the Evo (which has supercharged my old MacBook Pro). I can agree they’re probably better - but 5 times the price better?

    PCIe SSDs running at Raid read/write speeds? I’d think so. These aren’t the typical 2.5 inch SATA SSDs. Of course there’s a tax on it because Apple.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

    Yeah I think that’s what I bought.

    128 - 512 is £360, more than five times the price of the Evo (which has supercharged my old MacBook Pro). I can agree they’re probably better - but 5 times the price better?

    Yes :)

  • @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

    Yeah I think that’s what I bought.

    128 - 512 is £360, more than five times the price of the Evo (which has supercharged my old MacBook Pro). I can agree they’re probably better - but 5 times the price better?

    PCIe SSDs running at Raid read/write speeds? I’d think so. These aren’t the typical 2.5 inch SATA SSDs. Of course there’s a tax on it because Apple.

    @Cib said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @greengrocer said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    In Apple’s defense the SSDs they use are some of the fastest out hands down. SSDs are also very expensive. I’m sure the processors are significantly faster as well considering in 2012 they were 5th (I think) gen intel vs 8th gen now

    SSD’s aren’t that expensive. I bought a 500gb SSD for £90 a few months back, good make too.

    I was interested in replacing my 9 year old Dell desktop with a new Mini, but the prices are terrifying.

    Agree SSD have dropped substantially in price last 12 months. You buy a Samsung Evo 860 500GB New for $70 dollars

    Yeah I think that’s what I bought.

    128 - 512 is £360, more than five times the price of the Evo (which has supercharged my old MacBook Pro). I can agree they’re probably better - but 5 times the price better?

    Yes :)

    Ah ok, good then.

  • I preordered the new 11". :). Looking forward to getting the same gestures from the iphoneX on the iPad as I find it much more intuitive now.

    In other news, with the new iOS 12'1 update I can no longer find the comma or period keys when typing replies on this forum. Wtf?

  • @lairdhenn said:
    So many synth apps have keyboards at the bottom of the screen and don’t function well with multitouch gestures. Not having a home button seems like a total nightmare.

    Yeah, I think folks will realise that in actual use. A bit like with home button gone the RAM clearing trick will go up in smoke as well.

    I’m sure there will be walkarounds but there’s nothing like a double home button to bring apps up.

    I’ll give myself a year before biting.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Haven’t looked at iPad deets yet, but since my main axe for 6 years has been a 2012 Mac Mini, I’ve been eager to see the update after all this time. Unfortunately, it continues Apple push away from affordablity.

    Here is how it looks from my perspective:

    2012 Mac Mini: Quadcore i7, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD.............$850.
    That is what I believe I paid (OWC did the memory and HD.) Has served my needs for 6 years. Only thing I wish for is 32GB RAM, and a second Thunderbolt port.

    2018 Mac Mini: Quadcore i3 (i3!), 32 GB RAM, 2TB SSD....$3000!

    6 years of progress, and they can’t seem to deliver more performance at anywhere close to a comparable price.

    In fact, the base model Mini (Quadcore i3, 8 GB RAM, 128GB SSD) is $800! Significantly less powerful than what you could buy for around $800 in 2012

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

  • @bert said:

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

    It will especially when it comes to disk performance, 5400RPM drive vs SSD :)
    The 'old' 2.2Ghz QuadCore i7 is/was a work-horse, mine is unfortunately 'dead' it couldn't take the heat with both an SSD and regular drive in it :(

    The stock 128GB SSD that comes with the new Mini's is barely enough for a full install of Logic Pro X...
    But then again get a 128GB FitBit and stick it in an USB slot and move the sound-libraries there, problem solved :)

  • @Samu said:

    @bert said:

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

    It will especially when it comes to disk performance, 5400RPM drive vs SSD :)
    The 'old' 2.2Ghz QuadCore i7 is/was a work-horse, mine is unfortunately 'dead' it couldn't take the heat with both an SSD and regular drive in it :(

    The stock 128GB SSD that comes with the new Mini's is barely enough for a full install of Logic Pro X...
    But then again get a 128GB FitBit and stick it in an USB slot and move the sound-libraries there, problem solved :)

    I hoped this will work with iPads. Not only import/export but streaming large samples from extern disk.

  • $1500+tax for a 12.9/512...y'all are out of your ******* minds. Oh, and $10 extra to get the functionality I have today, right now. Well, who knows because we don't have any idea of how well USB-C to 3.5mm dongles work.

    Eff. Outta. Here.

    Been a fun 20 years, Apple. Thanks, but I just can't be bothered anymore.

    Gonna kit out a previous gen 12.9 as my last purchase in the ecosystem and walk off into the sunset. My current 10.5 continues to run well and will act as my backup. Hopefully in 2022 some other company will have stepped up with a suitable tablet (and ecosystem!) Otherwise, it's Hackintosh or Fruityloops on Windows.

  • The new iPads look slick upon first glance, but rounded corners for the actual screen itself???

    Nice to see the Mac mini get a boost, especially after my not even very old iMac is gathering dirt under the (bleeping) screen. :#

  • I did plan to sell my almost new iPad Pro 10.5 and keyboard case but god the new ones are expensive!

  • @e121 said:
    The new iPads look slick upon first glance, but rounded corners for the actual screen itself???

    Nice to see the Mac mini get a boost, especially after my not even very old iMac is gathering dirt under the (bleeping) screen. :#

    What’s up with the iMac? I was considering one of those as a desktop replacement, though the lack of a refresh again has put me off.

  • edited October 2018

    I think that Apple hit it out of the ballpark with every single product that was announced, from the MacBook Air, to the Mac Mini, and to the new iPad Pros with the new Pencil. This was one of the better events in many years in my opinion.

    Sure, the fully maxed out options are going to be pricey, but that's nothing new. If you want the best, it's going to cost you. If you think that there's something else out there that's better or cheaper, then go buy that instead. These Apple products that were announced today will sell well, all of them.

  • Sort of ipad update I've wanted to see for a while, like the extra screen space, looks like it's got plenty of power, hopefully be able to use usb-c external drives and apple pencil 2 🙃

    My only hope is apple puts its money where it's mouth is regarding desktop class apps and releases the logic kraken, next ipad here tho will be munchies, so I'll have to look away every time she uses it, 'my air 2 is fine, perfectly useable, it switching itself off with 10% battery left is a feature, not age related, keeps me on my toes'.

  • edited October 2018

    @Moloch75 said:
    Anyone remember the name of that VJ/DJ app they showed off?

    Djay Pro. Here's some interesting background too...

    Karim Morsy is the CEO of Algoriddim, a German company that develops the music and live DJ app djay. He told me he was actually surprised by the performance of the iPad Pro, and claimed that it could handle some tasks better and with fewer resources than even a high-end MacBook Pro.

    https://gizmodo.com/the-ipad-pro-is-finally-making-a-case-for-itself-1830106450

    The app is pretty well respected on both Mac and iOS. The guy knows what he's talking about.

  • edited October 2018

    @mister_rz said:
    Sort of ipad update I've wanted to see for a while, like the extra screen space, looks like it's got plenty of power, hopefully be able to use usb-c external drives and apple pencil 2 🙃

    No external drives supported see remark below

    @Cib said:

    @Samu said:

    @bert said:

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

    It will especially when it comes to disk performance, 5400RPM drive vs SSD :)
    The 'old' 2.2Ghz QuadCore i7 is/was a work-horse, mine is unfortunately 'dead' it couldn't take the heat with both an SSD and regular drive in it :(

    The stock 128GB SSD that comes with the new Mini's is barely enough for a full install of Logic Pro X...
    But then again get a 128GB FitBit and stick it in an USB slot and move the sound-libraries there, problem solved :)

    I hoped this will work with iPads. Not only import/export but streaming large samples from extern disk.

    Just read in another thread that external mass storage devices are not supported by the new Ipad Pros USB-C connection

  • @Samu said:

    @bert said:

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

    It will especially when it comes to disk performance, 5400RPM drive vs SSD :)
    The 'old' 2.2Ghz QuadCore i7 is/was a work-horse, mine is unfortunately 'dead' it couldn't take the heat with both an SSD and regular drive in it :(

    Oh no! I just got a regular drive to go in my 2012 mini, along with an ssd. You really think it broke the computer?

    I remember replacing the drive on my imac, it had a temperature sensor on the original hard drive, i wonder does the mini have temp sensors for the drives?

  • @Processaurus said:

    Oh no! I just got a regular drive to go in my 2012 mini, along with an ssd. You really think it broke the computer?

    Mine got very hot after extended periods of use until it finally broke down...
    Just check the temperature on top of the mini. If it gets uncomfortably hot to touch it might need a checkup.

    I remember replacing the drive on my imac, it had a temperature sensor on the original hard drive, i wonder does the mini have temp sensors for the drives?

    Not as far as I could see, only a few internal temperature gauges inside the case.
    (I used the tray from iFixIt and followed their instructions).

    Thankfully I have no urgent need to upgrade my 'inventory'.
    The Mid 2013 MacBook Air and iPad Air 2 will have to do for now.

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  • @mannix said:
    No external drives supported see remark below

    Shame, hope this is a decision that can be reversed with a software update.

  • @Samu said:

    @bert said:

    The quadcore i3 in this new Mac Minis may be faster than older quadcore i5's.

    It will especially when it comes to disk performance, 5400RPM drive vs SSD :)
    The 'old' 2.2Ghz QuadCore i7 is/was a work-horse, mine is unfortunately 'dead' it couldn't take the heat with both an SSD and regular drive in it :(

    The stock 128GB SSD that comes with the new Mini's is barely enough for a full install of Logic Pro X...
    But then again get a 128GB FitBit and stick it in an USB slot and move the sound-libraries there, problem solved :)

    In 2012 I was able to get a Quadcore i7 Mini w/ 2TB of 7200 HDD and 16 GB of RAM for well under $1000.

    I also believe the i3 is less powerful than the i5 and i7. Would be nice if otherwise, but still seriously unimpressed.. Apple charges an extra $800 for a 1TB SSD in the Mini. $800! Double the cost of the entire computer. It should be more like $200. Apple has always overcharged for memory and drives. Now that they are no longer user installable, they are free to gouge as much as they can

  • Hmm. Holding out hope for an ipad mini 5 in the spring. New pro looks nice but ill.probably be sticking with the cheaper ios devices for now. Id rather save up for an OP-Z at this point than the Pro

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