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I wrote a long article about using the OP-1 with the iPad

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  • Plain and simple, you cannot replace an OP-1 with an iPad and vice versa. Both have their strengths, but it's probably harder to grasp what the OP-1 is good for without making some tracks with one.

    I still miss owning one but am not willing to go 3x what I initially bought one for.

  • @Max23 said:

    @ocelot said:
    True, it's getting harder to tell what's a paid review and what's not. But his article was a how-to, and not a review, so room for ads and referral links to buy the stuff he mentioned. Hosting a site like Cult of Mac probably costs at least $100,000 per month, and that's not including any other expenses. A lot higher than YouTubers doing 'reviews'. I get what you're saying, but it was a bit rude to attack him like that, so he came back with his guns drawn.

    webserver and domain cost peanuts ;)
    by the way there are so many ads on the site that it pays for itself

    https://www.godaddy.com/?sp_hp=B&;

    Sure, but you're forgetting data usage, bandwidth, backups/failover/redundancy options, remote-access options, mail server + other required add-ons, power, and dozens more. And then paying a team to connect it all, set it up, add stuff daily, and babysit it. It's not a small site. :smile:

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  • @Max23 said:

    @ocelot said:

    @Max23 said:

    @ocelot said:
    True, it's getting harder to tell what's a paid review and what's not. But his article was a how-to, and not a review, so room for ads and referral links to buy the stuff he mentioned. Hosting a site like Cult of Mac probably costs at least $100,000 per month, and that's not including any other expenses. A lot higher than YouTubers doing 'reviews'. I get what you're saying, but it was a bit rude to attack him like that, so he came back with his guns drawn.

    webserver and domain cost peanuts ;)
    by the way there are so many ads on the site that it pays for itself

    https://www.godaddy.com/?sp_hp=B&;

    Sure, but you're forgetting data usage, bandwidth, backups/failover/redundancy options, remote-access options, mail server + other required add-ons, power, and dozens more. And then paying a team to connect it all, set it up, add stuff daily, and babysit it. It's not a small site. :smile:

    its peanuts ;)
    what costs is manpower/time if you can't do it yourself

    Alright, I'll take your word over my 30+ years working in datacenters.

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @CRAKROX said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @CRAKROX said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @mistercharlie said:
    My original title was better, but you can’t have everything.

    How to make music with an iPad and a ‘classic’ Swedish synth

    You forgot to mention how ridiculously overpriced Op1 is, how cheaply it’s built and how non-existent Teenage Engineering support is ;)

    Op-1 at £1200 is a terrible purchase in 2019. It was always overpriced but there’s sooo much else out there now...

    You were right about TE being the Apple of music hardware in some ways though. But that’s not a good thing for customers...

    Seems a bit of a pot and kettle situation really when pretty much the same charges could be levelled at Apple and iphones/iPads...

    As others have said in similar discussions as well, most people don’t “get” the attraction of the OP-1 until they actually own or use one on the regular, it is a piece of equipment which is more than merely the sum of its parts.

    I wasn’t saying Apple didn’t suck too ;) I was just saying that the ‘how to’ read like it was laced with marketing for teenage engineering or like it was a punt to get free stuff from them in future.

    Yeah Op1 is more than sum of its parts and a unique tool. I used to say those things when defending it. It was a cool approx £700 instrument. But it’s not a cool £1200 instrument in 2019...At that price it’s just a dated spec and poorly built rip off. There are many, many, many instruments and apps that are unique and ‘more than the sum of their parts’. That doesn’t make them 40% more valuable overnight ;) Especially in a landscape where everywhere else there’s new stuff appearing with unique features of their own, current spec, better build quality and better customer support.

    I don’t understand why the price bothers you so much ? Unless someone had saved £X to buy one then saw the price bump it really has no effect on anyone. At the end of the day the market will dictate if It can support the new price point.

    Also I don’t understand how your view of

    “It was a cool approx £700 instrument. But it’s not a cool £1200 instrument”

    The price hasn’t altered the machine itself, simply your feelings have changed, it comes over as sour grapes.

    The OP-1 like it or not has gained its own special reputation deserved or not which in turn has increased the desire in certain people to own one, it’s similar to the SP1200, I bought one for £600 a few years ago and the same machine now would be £3-4000. This is a drum machine/sampler with only 10 seconds on sampling time and a limited sequencer, however like the OP-1 it now has its own mythology which drives the market and the price.

    The ‘If the price alters then it doesn’t change the value of an object. The machine itself hasn’t changed and still does the same things’ angle only makes sense if someone buy something then it becomes CHEAPER and they moan about it because they feel they got a bad deal ;)

    That argument doesn’t work the same way when things get more expensive. It changes the relative value of something if it suddenly becomes more expensive by 40% while other comparable products in the landscape don’t.

    I disagree, take the SP1200 again, it was an amazing machine for £600 and still is at £4000, have I got £4000 to replace the one I had ? Nope, but I still feel the same way about it and if I had the cash I’d grab one instantly.
    The OP is the same, a unique and exciting to use/own instrument, I paid £600 for mine and would pay £1200 if I had the cash and needed another.
    It seems to me like a lot of people who complain about the OP-1 the heart of your complaint is the fact that you don’t want to pay what they are charging (which is fair enough, everyone values things differently) however it doesn’t suddenly make it a wack machine. This is what has the taste of sour grapes, essentially if the price dropped to £700 again by your reasoning it would be a “cool’ machine again.
    I feel your agrgument is based on emotion rather than reason.

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  • Excellent article! My RAVPower Wi-Fi Hub arrived yesterday. Thanks for the clue to better local shared storage management for my iPad's, iPhones and MacBook.

  • Nice article, thanks for taking the time to write that!

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