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Beathawk strings IAP-No pizz cello without slap?
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I can’t find them on the cello either, although my others are with and without snap. The thought of Mark King on a cello causes me considerable distress.
Is it still slappy at really low velocities? Maybe adjust the attack to soften it?
Try the All Strings Pizzicato, and play in the Cello range.
It sounds pretty good, much better than the Cello Pizz Snap.
I'm just curious about your rendering workflow. You provide a few clues:
MIDI edited in Notion
Cellos and other strings from BeatHawk Strings IAP
What's your DAW of choice and do you freeze tracks to audio to allow you to scale up a large
orchestration?
I have had similar frustrations with orchestral perfectionism. Scott’s approach is probably my target. SynthJacker into NS2 with 3 layer samples from all the stuff I bought and I’m in deep chasing this dream.
Cheaper than those Desktop Sample Libraries that sound amazing. Sometimes I think about
just going the East/West subscription route but I have to face the facts. I'll never put in the effort
because I don't have a patron, a deadline or even much of an audience that would appreciate the
results.
If you were accepting of more lo-fi (and also non-AUv3) choices, you could find both, cello pizzicato and bassoon in the ST Miroslav Mobile IAP as well as in the in Streetlytron. Seems that apps like these could find some use as a stand-in during sketching.
Sampletank Miroslav 2 --> Synthjacker --> NS2 might be worth a try. Especially since Synthjacker's new MIDI export/audio import workflow is much faster than manually sampling like Scott Van Zandt presumably had to do:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/35665/tip-to-considerably-speed-up-synthjacker-sampling
Good suggestion, BeatHawk IAPs seem to require some workarounds, depending on the library.
I recently purchased the Mallets because of the Vibraphone, just to find that it's the only instrument sampled with a lot of reverb, practically unusable.
@JonathanMac, I think you have come to the right conclusion. It is simply too difficult to get a scrutinizable orchestral sound on iOS IMO. Tho I am a great fan of Scott Van Zandt’s, even his handmade samples resolve into orchestral mush when the going gets tough. Having made two symphony like pieces on iOS I found, after time passed, that the thrill was gone and my ear was straining to hear something that was just not there.
That early rush of feeling “Wow, I just made the sound of a full orchestra!” fades into its component parts
that, unfortunately, is too indistinct in its makeup. So, if you can live with the “idea” of an orchestral work I guess there is something there. But for me, personally, two synthonies are it. Any modern classical track I happen to improvise in the future will have to take a simpler form. But it was fun while it lasted.
I’m really looking forward to the Audio Modeling SWAM instruments being released on iOS over the next few months. This should up the sampled classical instruments game quite a bit 😎 MPE adds a new layer of realism too.
If they're as good as the desktop versions, including controller support, that's going to be fantastic
Really? I react with delight. I would like that level of sound in an IOS DAW.
Once you get the simplest in place his music renders in NS2 without audio tracks.
There is no requirement to freeze to get a huge sound of complex orchestrations.
Nice mush:
There is no accounting for taste. I like mush in the mornings.
NOTE: I'm listening today using AirPods so I don't have to get up except to
refill the coffee cup.
How does Scott's track sound to you on good monitors?
@McD, no monitors available at present. I listened again with hps. I still feel the same tho he gets the closest in iOS.
Compare to some John Williams. The separation between the instruments is much more distinct, IMO.
That’s kind of irrelevant. He didn’t do that on any PC.
But, you’re right. We should all use a full 130 piece orchestra when we can.
Or on his phone. NS2 runs on iPhones too. Scott has a long commute and makes his
sample sets while in transit.
@richardyot How does Scott's mix sound to you? Is it mushy on good speakers?
Are there better examples of finished goods using IOS sampled orchestras?
@Kuhl has done some nice work but he admits to moving to Desktops for improved
productivity for most of his instrumental compositions.
I wonder if the London Philharmonic is going to offer any Black Friday deals this year.
Orchestral libs often sound "mushed" when they're either recorded with microphones positioned too far away from the individual instruments or too much reverb added later.
I personally prefer the "chamber orchestra" setup and I find that much more flexible.
True. Samples are usually just good enough in most cases. Tradeoffs.
How does Scott's philharmonic sound on your monitors? Is it just mush?
I wouldn't call it mush, rather too much reverb in some sections (especially in the beginning where the reverb sounds like drastic resonator ringing) which unnecessarily smears the clarity and character of individual instruments. If I was to mix it again, I would at least "gain ride" the reverb level to be a better match to the music.
Other than that, I think it sounds great. Well, a tiny bit of EQ to reduce the lower midrange too...
Thanks. I'm planning on making NS2 samples of all my favorite App instruments using SynthJacker.
There's a new thread that implies a bug in the NS2 auto import function that might crash my dream of
a realtime orchestra on my phone in 2020. Hopefully, it's a file naming user error.
Mush or no... nothing seems to compare for playing 10+ tracks of instruments at once.
Something that puzzles me is the lack of good quality instrument IAP's for NS2. The Acoustic IAP's
sound awful to me but Scott's instruments sound more than good enough for me. NS 2 only provides
3 layers but it's fast accessing samples from disk. Engineering tradeoffs.
I've started collecting and selecting samples for Obsidian because I thought sample import and auto-mapping was flawless, i know that layers are not supported for import but at least auto-mapping the 24 key zones would be great. 24 zones x 3 V-layers is an acceptable compromise I think.
I agree. I hope you figure out what the problem is. @dendy has replied on your other thread
saying he thinks its still working. I know it was tricky... I actually gave up trying but I have it on my list of Things to Do.
Samples have to be named like these examples. It's mandatory that the file name ends wit the note name like "A-1", "C3", "F#4" and one space character before the note name.
Examples:
Acoustic_Piano C3.wav
E-piano_Wurly D2.wav
but not:
E-piano_D2.wav
Acoustic_Piano C4 127.wav
I must have built too many Kontakt instruments