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Bass recording problem. Advice needed.
I recorded my friend Bass player on a dozen of our tracks. But before recording I forgot that he like no mids or highs in his sound. The tone control was rolled off. I am having a hard time to get the bass to stand out in a mix with 2 guitars and a Hammond. Their is nothing above 1khz.
Anybody have any suggestion on how to add upper frequencies. Is there a Auv3 like those guitar pedals that make synth sound ?
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Roxsyn by Yonac is a synth effect that takes audio and adds new sounds. I’m not sure this is what your looking for, but it is like a synth effect pedal. Check out some YouTube, sound test room to see if you like.
There mite be a better route though...
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/roxsyn-guitar-synthesizer/id1472450599
There’s a bunch of good videos but here is STR
Thank you @Poppadocrock I will check it out.
I tried distortion or fuzz with a high pass but that did not sound too good.
I have Roxsyn and as a bass player I don't think it's
the effect your looking for though you could try it.
Take all reverb off before you do so though.
Was the tone control rolled off on the bass guitar itself
and did you record it through an effect or dry?
You could get it to stand out using parallel mixing.
Duplicate the bass track and eq one for tops and the other for the lows.
Have you tried an exciter such as the one from Toneboosters?
The bass was recorded direct in the sound card. No effect at all. The other problem is the tone was completely off one session and 80% off the second session. I was a complete noob at the time of recording.
So I tried the duplicate and use only the top with REAMP and got decent result but the other session sound much different.
REAMP is that considered a exciter?
A wave to midi would be great.
EQ?
You might try one of the exciter effects -- 4Pockets Harmonic Exciter is one. It probably depends on the actual bass tone how usable the result will be. There are a few video demonstrations of it.
Before eq, look at your arrangements. If the Hammond or guitars are playing in a really low range, voice things so they are playing higher.
Once you do eq, Cut from the other tracks. You don’t need much above 1k on bass in many styles anyway. Look in the 400 or 750 region for some boost while listening in the mix. Also don’t be afraid of the high pass- rolling off really low bass lets you boost the volume overall.
@ecou
Roxsyn doesn’t do audio to midi.
You could try downloading jam synth
and try that.
Other than that you could upload
a loop of the two different bass track recordings and see if we can assist you in getting the bass tone you need.
This would the type of bass sound I’m looking for but I gave up on in with the tone control rolled off.
I am not having much success with jam synth. Too bad that would be a great option with BASSalicious.
If the problem is with the original recording, the best option, if possible, might be to re-record the bass parts.
What's your recommendation for an Electric Acoustic Guitar to sound like a bass? I have Roxsyn and Jam Synth but what preset would you recommend as a template?
Yes to both. If you want the bass guitar to sound like a bass guitar, I would try the first (and don't worry about extreme EQ settings, you can reduce the noise with brusfri later) but if that doesn't cut it then record again.
Edit: Don't even start with graphic equalizers. Use a quality parametric EQ like TB Equalizer or LRC5 or Zmors EQ and don't worry to have overlapping bands.
One thing to note is that Steve Harris uses new rotosound flatwounds every gig, and I am going to guess that transfers to recording as well. New flatwounds on a pbass with both knobs on full will give you that sound. Also, hit hard with the plucking hand, that’s how the notes are getting that snap at the attack and the slightly hollow tone (which is also new flatwounds, they usually settle down after a month or so).
I don’t like the sound of new flatwounds particularly, I prefer flatwounds that have settled in for a long time (years), but Steve Harris has done quite well with it and I do love what he does on bass.
Probably re-recording is your best bet, although you can probably get some of that snap running the bass through an svt simulation and cranking the high mids and highs. Doing that in parallel with the DI track may work well. Don’t forget to check phase, that’s really important. Polarity as well, but phase is different (except at 0 and 180 degrees, then phase and polarity are the same) and can yield a lot of tone variation. I use the little labs IBP plugin to do that (on Mac) but if you are strictly using iOS see if one of the eq’s you have available has an all pass filter, that’s how you rotate phase, as well as using delay (or moving waveforms) to line up signals.
Sounds like it’d save a lot of time and hassle just to re-record the part.
A common mistake recording bass parts is to turn up the bass in the EQ. Record it flat, then EQ it after to see how it fits in the mix.
I personally prefer a more defined bass sound, as for me hearing the note is more important than feeling it.
+1
Thumbjam does audio to midi.
Re-recording is the best option but...
Is the problem that it’s being masked by the kick? If so duck the bass to where it’s not using the same frequency space as the kick. (Always roll off the rumble regardless). Then roll the eq until you can find some sweets spots in the mids.
How good is it? I tried Jam synth and it is pretty bad, unless it’s me that is bad at it.