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One synth to master

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  • kv331audio_bulentkv331audio_bulent

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Preset player ??? :o :D

    Well if you think so, just go through the 1300 presets. They are designed by professional sound designers using THE synth

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    One Synth to Master = Synthmaster One. The name says it all

  • OnfraySinOnfraySin
    edited February 2020

    DRC!

    Beautiful GUI, amazing sound, huge possibilities, wonderful effects....

    It is so direct, simple but powerful.

    For me, DRC is miles away from the most synths.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Just curious, what makes it terrible in your opinion? It’s busy because there’s a lot going on but I don’t recall ever getting lost.

    When I've seen this thread the other day SynthMaster was my first thought.
    I couldn't quite remember why I don't use it more often, so I gave it a quick go.
    Basic stuff (feel free to try and let me know how it goes)
    Init patch, detune subosc 2oct lower (wasn't easy), a bit of vibrato... didn't like vibrato, let's try to reset it. Tap for submenu is missing for that knob (who knows why) so no "reset to default ", let's try manually, keep trying, keep trying, ok let's try to remove modulation, but it's hardwired (yet listed under remove mod submenu). At that point I just gave up.
    I'm all for complex deep synths with submenus and all, that part is fine with me, but some kind of consistency, touch optimisation would very much be appreciated.

    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

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  • kv331audio_bulentkv331audio_bulent

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    Vibrato is a modulation amount knob (Vibrato LFO modulating Osc fine tune). So far modulation amount knobs don't have a menu. But looks like it's time to add that.

  • FingolfinzzzFingolfinzzz

    @tja said:
    Lets summarize:

    Those got several votes:

    Lagrange
    Sunrizer
    Zeeon
    SynthMaster One
    Poison 202

    Those got mentioned:

    Sunvox
    Factory
    LayR
    Tera
    DRC
    Continua
    Primer

    Beside the UI problems, SynthMaster One would be nice.

    I will compare those others in that first category, again.

    BTW, my initial thought was:

        THOR

    Yes, the immortal Thor Synth:

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/thor-polysonic-synthesizer/id660195946?l=en

    Thor is incredible. It’s the first big synth I got for iOS

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  • kv331audio_bulentkv331audio_bulent
    edited February 2020

    @tja said:
    Don't understand the appreciation of SynthMaster One, when it lacks such simple things.

    Most buttons offer a "Set to default", but not all, which makes it pretty useless.

    BTW, @kv331audio_bulent @kv331audio , the canonical way is a simply double-tap to reset any button!

    Just honor and implement this - for any and all buttons, of course.
    No need to invent your own way (and then simply forget to apply it to all buttons)

    It's not such hard to fix this synth, just think a bit and apply the basic stuff ;)
    I trust in you, for some time

    So, not having a "set to default" implementation for modulation amount knobs is enough reason for you to write off the synth and call the UI a "mess" ? Whatever... as I a developer I can not make everyone happy, although that's my ultimate goal :)

    I really tried to make sound design with SynthMaster One as simple as possible, because of that we have the following features:

    1. Real-time visual feedback for modulation sources/targets
    2. Creating modulations by drag-n-drop
    3. Creating/deleting modulations for a knob/slider by tapping the control -> shows context menu for the control.
    4. In-place modulation amount editing for knobs/sliders by long pressing the control (for the current selected modulation source)
    5. Displaying modulation amounts of target knobs/sliders for the selected modulation source.
    6. Cross platform (Win/Mac/iOS) data synchronization.

    Regarding the complaint on "hard-wired" modulations, let me ask this: Can you disable the filter envelope in a synth like the MiniMoog? Only by setting the filter env amount to zero.

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  • wimwim
    edited February 2020

    @kv331audio_bulent said:
    1. Real-time visual feedback for modulation sources/targets

    I’m particularly fond of this one! <3 <3

    (Hope you don’t get easily discouraged by drama queens. I love SynthMaster One. Double-tap to reset is indeed very nice to have consistently across controls, but it doesn’t ruin my day to have to turn a knob once in awhile. :D )

  • kv331audio_bulentkv331audio_bulent

    @wim said:
    (Hope you don’t get easily discouraged by drama queens. I love SynthMaster One. Double-tap to reset is indeed very nice to have consistently across controls, but it doesn’t ruin my day to have to turn a knob once in awhile. :D )

    Thank you <3

    I will implement it via the single tap -> popup menu, not double tap.

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    I tried SM1 just now - not used it in a while. Seems a bit easier to get where you want to go on the dials now. Has it had some work done?

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @kv331audio_bulent said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    Vibrato is a modulation amount knob (Vibrato LFO modulating Osc fine tune). So far modulation amount knobs don't have a menu. But looks like it's time to add that.

    I very much appreciate your interaction with us unwashed masses here. No snark, I am impressed.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @tja said:

    BTW, my initial thought was:

        THOR

    Yes, the immortal Thor Synth:

    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/thor-polysonic-synthesizer/id660195946?l=en

    Thor is like a very beloved elderly and frail relative. Every time you call you half expect bad news.

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  • MobileMusicMobileMusic
    edited February 2020

    @tja said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Just curious, what makes it terrible in your opinion? It’s busy because there’s a lot going on but I don’t recall ever getting lost.

    When I've seen this thread the other day SynthMaster was my first thought.
    I couldn't quite remember why I don't use it more often, so I gave it a quick go.
    Basic stuff (feel free to try and let me know how it goes)
    Init patch, detune subosc 2oct lower (wasn't easy), a bit of vibrato... didn't like vibrato, let's try to reset it. Tap for submenu is missing for that knob (who knows why) so no "reset to default ", let's try manually, keep trying, keep trying, ok let's try to remove modulation, but it's hardwired (yet listed under remove mod submenu). At that point I just gave up.
    I'm all for complex deep synths with submenus and all, that part is fine with me, but some kind of consistency, touch optimisation would very much be appreciated.

    Massively true.

    Don't understand the appreciation of SynthMaster One, when it lacks such simple things.

    Most buttons offer a "Set to default", but not all, which makes it pretty useless.

    BTW, @kv331audio_bulent @kv331audio , the canonical way is a simply double-tap to reset any button!

    Just honor and implement this - for any and all buttons, of course.
    No need to invent your own way (and then simply forget to apply it to all buttons)

    It's not such hard to fix this synth, just think a bit and apply the basic stuff ;)
    I trust in you, for some time

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Just curious, what makes it terrible in your opinion? It’s busy because there’s a lot going on but I don’t recall ever getting lost.

    When I've seen this thread the other day SynthMaster was my first thought.
    I couldn't quite remember why I don't use it more often, so I gave it a quick go.
    Basic stuff (feel free to try and let me know how it goes)
    Init patch, detune subosc 2oct lower (wasn't easy), a bit of vibrato... didn't like vibrato, let's try to reset it. Tap for submenu is missing for that knob (who knows why) so no "reset to default ", let's try manually, keep trying, keep trying, ok let's try to remove modulation, but it's hardwired (yet listed under remove mod submenu). At that point I just gave up.
    I'm all for complex deep synths with submenus and all, that part is fine with me, but some kind of consistency, touch optimisation would very much be appreciated.

    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    @tja said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Just curious, what makes it terrible in your opinion? It’s busy because there’s a lot going on but I don’t recall ever getting lost.

    When I've seen this thread the other day SynthMaster was my first thought.
    I couldn't quite remember why I don't use it more often, so I gave it a quick go.
    Basic stuff (feel free to try and let me know how it goes)
    Init patch, detune subosc 2oct lower (wasn't easy), a bit of vibrato... didn't like vibrato, let's try to reset it. Tap for submenu is missing for that knob (who knows why) so no "reset to default ", let's try manually, keep trying, keep trying, ok let's try to remove modulation, but it's hardwired (yet listed under remove mod submenu). At that point I just gave up.
    I'm all for complex deep synths with submenus and all, that part is fine with me, but some kind of consistency, touch optimisation would very much be appreciated.

    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    There are more buttons missing this!

    As i said, the UI is a mess.

    AND, you want a double tap to reset to default!
    Nothing else...

    These were already suggested and pointed out missing menus on some controls and to offer a way to reset values to default and dev has already agreed to look into them. See comments from feb 5 in this thread -

    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/36602/synthmaster-one-v1-3-universal-live/p12

    Pop up menu would be more consistent and less confusing as we don’t have to remember which ones have double tap and which ones have menu.

  • MobileMusicMobileMusic
    edited February 2020

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    For me it would be Zeeon and Continua. Both offers wide range of sounds with plenty of modulation.
    On paper SynthMaster could be something really hard to beat (both range and sound wise), but for me at its current state it's maximum a preset player, not a synth. Barely ever reach for it, because of its terrible UI.

    Just curious, what makes it terrible in your opinion? It’s busy because there’s a lot going on but I don’t recall ever getting lost.

    When I've seen this thread the other day SynthMaster was my first thought.
    I couldn't quite remember why I don't use it more often, so I gave it a quick go.
    Basic stuff (feel free to try and let me know how it goes)
    Init patch, detune subosc 2oct lower (wasn't easy), a bit of vibrato... didn't like vibrato, let's try to reset it. Tap for submenu is missing for that knob (who knows why) so no "reset to default ", let's try manually, keep trying, keep trying, ok let's try to remove modulation, but it's hardwired (yet listed under remove mod submenu). At that point I just gave up.
    I'm all for complex deep synths with submenus and all, that part is fine with me, but some kind of consistency, touch optimisation would very much be appreciated.

    This was discussed earlier too and it was clarified that fine tuning is hardwired to vibrato and cannot be severed. However, menus should be optimized by hiding irrelevant sub menu items like Clear Modulations, Remove Modulation, etc where not applicable so it is less confusing and fewer support questions. Fewer the support issues with default/expected behaviors, more time dev can spend on making it better.

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  • MobileMusicMobileMusic
    edited February 2020

    @tja said:
    Thanks @MobileMusic I did not know that those are know issues and already being thought about.
    As as said, after my first tries, i gave up on SynthMaster One.
    That may change now, with changes to the UI, @kv331audio_bulent

    Still, long press for menu and double tap to reset are more easy, logical and more consistent between many other Apps.

    Just saying.

    I knew these were going to be issues for users after using Cubasis for years where it doesn’t have a way to reset values in Mixer, Automation editor, etc which is frustrating :neutral: and I suggested them to Steinberg too. Sometimes, minor issues to resolve like this can cause huge frustration every time we need to tweak values.

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    @RobertFernandes said:

    @richardyot said:
    At first I thought you had scribbled directly on the Minilab, but on closer inspection I see it's paper stuck down. It would be pretty cool to make Illustrator or Photoshop templates that could be printed out for various iOS synths and swapped out interchangeably on the Minilab.

    That is a great idea! It would be very nice.

    @johnp352
    What I did was take the shapes out of the manual and composed it on an image editor. Then printed it on “thick paper”, kind of like card. Afterwards I just used some crayons to paint the different colors :smile:
    Next time, If I have the time, I will print out the colors directly from the computer to make it look better. Probably not, as too much time is involved.

    Will share the Minilab templates, however, in case someone doesn’t want to take the time to map all the templates with different CC’s. ;-]

    I’m definitely interested in your mini lab template(s). It’s always interesting to see how other people group up functionality.

  • u0421793u0421793

    Interestingly I was just looking at Cuckoo’s overview of the Novation Peak and one of the commenters likened it to a hardware incarnation of Sunrizer.

  • johnp352johnp352

    @RobertFernandes said:

    @richardyot said:
    At first I thought you had scribbled directly on the Minilab, but on closer inspection I see it's paper stuck down. It would be pretty cool to make Illustrator or Photoshop templates that could be printed out for various iOS synths and swapped out interchangeably on the Minilab.

    That is a great idea! It would be very nice.

    @johnp352
    What I did was take the shapes out of the manual and composed it on an image editor. Then printed it on “thick paper”, kind of like card. Afterwards I just used some crayons to paint the different colors :smile:
    Next time, If I have the time, I will print out the colors directly from the computer to make it look better. Probably not, as too much time is involved.

    Will share the Minilab templates, however, in case someone doesn’t want to take the time to map all the templates with different CC’s. ;-]

    THANK YOU..it's not the time so much as I am a complete klutz when it comes to image editors etc.

  • kv331audio_bulentkv331audio_bulent

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @kv331audio_bulent said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    Vibrato is a modulation amount knob (Vibrato LFO modulating Osc fine tune). So far modulation amount knobs don't have a menu. But looks like it's time to add that.

    I very much appreciate your interaction with us unwashed masses here. No snark, I am impressed.

    Issue fixed in v1.3.7, uploaded to TestFlight, waiting for Apple's approval.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @kv331audio_bulent said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @kv331audio_bulent said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Huh, you’re right. @kv331audio_bulent is there a reason why Vibrato doesn’t have a clickable sub menu like the other knobs?

    Vibrato is a modulation amount knob (Vibrato LFO modulating Osc fine tune). So far modulation amount knobs don't have a menu. But looks like it's time to add that.

    I very much appreciate your interaction with us unwashed masses here. No snark, I am impressed.

    Issue fixed in v1.3.7, uploaded to TestFlight, waiting for Apple's approval.

    Much obliged.

  • Samflash3Samflash3

    One ....Synth...Master?
    Synthmaster One?

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