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Surface Pro 7 tablet with Bitwig or Cubase running Omnisphere and Keyscabe?
I´we always felt the pain of the slowly progressing IOS music platform. There are so many of VST´s from my Mac that sound way better and the DAWS are way more mature - but I just love to interact without the mouse.
All of a sudden I stumble upon a Microsoft Surface Pro on the web (Quad core fanless I5 10th gen intel) running Bitwig (Daw for multitouch). There you can have all your mature Vst´s like Keyscape running on a tablet with a mature DAW....
Looks like heaven to me.....
Anyone have any experience with this ???
Looks like whatever I have ever wanted the Ipad to do (running mature pro aps) is hidding in plain sight on the other side of the fence..
Looking forward to comments 
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It's been one of the more fascinating combinations I've been thinking of getting, as I mainly use Windows on PCs.
But, I won't discount the power of the iPad either. Unless we start seeing developers rewriting their code for Windows, a lot of touch based applications are better on iOS.
Also, there isn't a rule that says you can't use both. Surface running apps like Bitwig and Ableton with the advanced plugins, and iOS used as instrument.
To me all I ever needed was the quality of the pianos in Keyscape or better running in a mature and stable Daw with propper PDC and mixing with desktop quality plugins like Sound Toys 5 etc...
It looks like this will come to the IOS in the future but this drip drop waiting game is killing me softly
Since I have all the licenses for Desktop plugins I can finally stop buying all the IOS music apps hoping that they will deliver just to delete them a couple of weeks later.
So perhaps it`s Surface Pro time and then come back in a couple of years when IOS apps are up to current Desktop level or better - or perhaps never at all
U can self sample Keyscape into obsidian (inside NanoStudio 2) Doing the sampling dry, and then re-adding the Fx as obsidian macros actually yields really good results. Yes you’re gonna be limited on velocities (3) and actual samples u can run per patch so this isn’t 1:1 the same, but honestly I wouldn’t go back to it on Mac compared to how I’ve laid it out in obsidian. It’s very nice sounding and very fast loading.
nah, come right back and let us know how it's all working out... I love Keyscape more than any other vsti and your scenario is always in the back of my mind.
Have a Surface laptop with the tablet screen etc that I run Maschine and Ableton etc on and while I'm still a n00b with the music, the laptop itself, while not cheap, is the perfect bestriding both worlds object. Kicks arse.
I’m done with Windows. Totally Mac here now. 8 year old base model MacBook Pro still able to run Omnisphere and a bunch of other VST’s in Live, despite only having 8gb RAM and booting from a £60 external SSD. Plus love being able to use the iPad as a control surface, or record in from it via USB.
Omnisphere and Keyscape are great (i own them too) but they are no multi-touch tools.
Sampling? Not sure, 3 velocities are really not enough for an expressive piano. Keyscape goes up to 32 velocity layers.
I personally would need at least 8 but better 12-16.
Pianoteq for iOS would solve that all. 128 velocity layers and no samples
For the FX, they are also a bit missing on iOS. Especially mixing tools and better panning/spat tools. Its a bit flat all in iOS land but i also hope that might change.
But what cannot be replaced maybe is the microtuning in Keyscape/Omnisphere.
Is there a multi-sampler in iOS supporting .tun file import?
Or what about iOS pianos like Colossos? They seems to sound good? Would not test them for the price since i´m not sure if they run well on my older devices.
But there is also the magic with Keyscape sound sources inside Omnisphere if you start to layer them which would need hours and hours of sampling sessions where i´m not sure any iOS device offers enough RAM or is able to stream that all from disk without issues.
IOS devices are just not ready for it and i guess also people here won´t pay 400 which is even quite a good price for 36 really awesome and deeply sampled keys. Some very unique included.
I also experimented with sampling multi-set ups with my favorite desktop FX to use in NS2 but when a preset has over a GB it begins to slow everything extreme down and loading takes also long. But of course with the latest iPad Pro with 4-6 GB RAM it might work better.
But for sampling NS2 is not the best and i would choose BM3 or something like Audio Layer.
Oh but i would not touch a windows device for anything multi-touch.
Then i much prefer a trackpad which has multi-touch plus keyboard shortcuts or just use an iOS device with the tools which are made for it.
I have surface pro6 i7 and Bitwig running Arturia Vsynth collection and U-he synths. Abbey Road plugins. Ample sound for guitars and a Jamstik, CME and Yourock guitar as controllers plus Roli block. Sample robot for sampling into bitwig. Studiomux to my ipad pro 12inch. Its heaven.
But when travelling its just the ipad thats so much better than the surface for this purpose, as the surface needs an audio interface due to latency issues.
This is very valuable 💎 info u dropped. I never imagined a Surface and latency
What are the latency issues ?? Windows internal driver/speaker setup causing latency ?
Ps. How is Bitwig - is touchable to a degree you do not need a mouse ???
Ps. can you run at 64 sample buffersize - My prefered setting for piano practise (only need to run a single vst at this bufffer)
In VST land I think it’d be hit or miss, unless limiting your workflow to the few touch optimized platforms like Omnisphere and Bitwig. Some plugin interfaces are small and difficult enough to manage with mouse+KB (psp...cough) , I imagine it’d be pretty frustrating operating with touch, and most plugins don’t support multi-touch yet.
I’m giving it a few more years to mature - sticking with iOS + Mac Mini for now.
Latency with internal speaker etc. You need ASIO drivers for better latency performance. This just about sums it up:
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At home the surface is superb
Sorry just realised you asked about S7.
Then the same Molten Music can answer you questions:
And latency:
Awesome - Thank you Dblonde
looks like what I need. Will check out tonight
Thats my setup now. But I often use a Nord Grand and other hardware Keys for ease of use even though they soundwise are not up to snuff compared with the Spectrasonic Stuff. With this tablet it looks like I can glue a low latency interface like RME etc and a 1tb Samsung T5 on the bag and then have a low latency sound module on battery- that puts Kronos, Yamaha, Nord, Fantom to shame. That in it self is an instant buy. I have been trying for ever to solve the Piano part with IOS apps, but none of the Piano apps have pro sound not to mention synths..
Desktop Sound on a fanless tablet is what I have been craving forever and bought a zillion apps in pursuit of this just to realise that until Spectrasonics etc. ports their apps to IOS it´s not going to happen anytime soon..
I never thought that Windows would fullfill this need. I´m pretty sure there will be a lot of disapointments with regards to the touch interface not being optimized and all the fiddly non apple stuff - but I if I can get Spectrasonic to run on a tablet at 64 buffer size (even though it´s only one sound at a time) then this purchase would actually make me money since I could offload all the mediocre Hardware keyboards/workstation - that somehow got left in the nineties development wise
My 2 cents re SP and Bitwig: one thing to remember: VST exist in “containers” in Bitwig which are touch optimized - so the touch support of a given vst is moot in a way, since each param of a given vst is easily mappable to a touch control.
Another nice benefit to the touch tablets is they can run the touch version of MultitrackStudio which can receive and export to the iOS MultiTrackStudio.
I’m not sure about battery life of SP7, I have SP3 Which is good for about 90 mins...
In terms of strict touch use on Bitwig, the track pad (rather than mouse) is touch too, strictly speaking...
Also the Surface has a neat Mini SSD card holder. I put a fast 256 card inside for all Kontakt instruments