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Sorry for bump/post duplicate, but other thread i've posted in doesnt show up for me, so write here too.
Just bought Different Drummer (thanks to reduced price, well). Very interesting app, though interface is a bit overweighten and i'm under impression that my iPad 3rd is weak for it - when i'm changing different parametres, i get latency on visualisation of it.
Also was nice to see some kind of community in presets and feedback pages.
The title of this bumped thread tricked me into thinking it was on sale for even lower than $14.99! D'oh! That probably isn't realistic given that it debuted at $300, and only incrementally got down to the (fair) price it is now at.
Almost pulled the trigger a few times on it, but to no fault of the app, necessarily, I haven't because I don't want to spend my time learning the language of it right now. I'm sure I'll buy in the future.
Waiting for v3.0 which adds state saving, among other new features. That should help the value proposition, although I'd say it's easily worth the current price.
The current price point is totally fine. But if I'm spending over $5 on anything, I really want to have the sense that it's something I have a plan on how to use. This app looks cool, I just don't know that I would actually use it. As I read and view more, that opinion may change.
Thing is, when v3.0 comes out, the price may go up again.
That's possible. The dev indicated several weeks back that he was planning on dropping updates, and I think that was due to it no longer being worth the effort, but it seems he may have reconsidered. DD has updated more than any other app I can think of up to this point. I truly hope he doesn't abandon it because the concept is so unique, and what can be done with it is incredible to me.
double tap the space bar and you get a period and a space. <- like that one.
Is that what you mean?
@StormJH1 said:
@funjunkie27 has made a great point about this app on this board several times that I think should be repeated here: The name Different Drummer is basically selling this app short. As a general MIDI Sequencer (which, make no mistake, this thing certainly can be), this app is very powerful. It's good to think of this app beyond drums.
It is extraordinary! I just grabbed it and love it. I was a bit on turkey because I "needed" a new app
Now I'm happy again. Nice price for all the features.
No doubt it's a powerful pattern generating sequencer, but I have NEVER heard anyone use it to come up with a structured, arranged drum part where the pattern changes to suit different sections of the music and drum fills punctuate the completion of phrases. It's always start the groove, let it run all the way through. That's a big failing in a drum sequencer. Perhaps it can do it, but it must be a real hassle, because nobody ever bothers.
I'd love to be proved wrong here guys...
Still waiting for a demo of DD that shows it can do what I mentioned above. Then I'll be tempted.
I believe it can be done within its song mode, but I haven't done it. Song mode allows for tempo changes, addition or removal of parts, rhythm changes, fills (using rests and ties) and volume changes, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.
Effectrix can add some spice
@funjunkie27 said:
Still waiting...
Here's a quick demo I threw together...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hj71fxknvs9ivqn/DD Song Mode Demo.m4a
Or via Soundclound...
Thanks, That's a lot more like it. I'm a big believer in musical parts interacting and responding to eachother and it's gratifying to see that DD has the potential to allow this. I may yet invest in DD after all when I next get some spare cash.
I'd say the only down side is that the time sig is global and the learning curve is steep, but it is quite capable. I didn't focus on the start/stop, but it is feasible to have a useable part for each of those too.
Also, the parts transitions can be difficult if you alter the waves' phase too much between them.
@funjunkie27, nice demo. It does show something that I find difficult with Different Drummer. By the nature of the waves sometImes sounds get cut quite sharply, which is fine if you want that. Sometimes I've had a rhythm I really liked but couldn't get the sounds to sustain. It would be great if some kind of sustain option/slider was added.
...learning curve is steep.
Amen brother.
Thanks @Fitz. The A/B toggles in the notes, rests, and ties help in sustaining the sample, or abruptly cutting it.
Wow @funjunkie27, I missed that! Thanks for the tip. The manual is not the most accessible IMO.
Yeah...I just recently started playing with it. The interaction is a bit tricky, but it really opens things up.
He does seem to like his technobabble...
The progressions are what I haven't wrapped my head around yet. It's similar to GuideTrack in the layout, but adding programmed notes into the mix is a bit too much for my limited understanding of music theory.
I coincidentally bought different drummer a few weeks ago, and i'm loving it.
however, i think this app is sorely misunderstood. worst of all, there is an underlying simplicity to the complexity, but it is not well explained. once you "get" it, your mind is blown.
This is actually not meant to be criticism, but acknowledging the difficult problem of communicating any type of new paradigm, even a simple and powerful one. Once you're over that hump, the app is very well designed, and and a pleasure to use.
Different drummer brilliantly takes something any electronic musician is familiar with, a sound wave, and interprets it as rhythm ~and~ pitch. i emphasize pitch, because different drummer's pitch control is front and center of the app, both conceptually, and in the interface.
The emphasis on pitch through me off at first. All I cared about was triggering drum samples with regards to learning the basics. In hindsight, pitch control is an essential part of the unique sounds created by dd, and it belongs where it is in the interface. You don't have to use, it, but believe me, when you realize how much pitch control can add to a rhythm, even a fairly traditional one, you will be pleasantly surprise.
At the core, each note is being triggered not by selecting a point in time like a step-programmed drum machine. Instead, note are triggered by the waves. imagine a complete sine wave across a full measure... it would bisect that measure into two half notes. and if you break the sine wave again, you get four quarter notes. etc.
The magic happens when you overlay different kinds of waves on top of each other. The result is all kinds of beats and syncopations that sound fantastic, but are naturally generated.
alluded to before, the possibilities really come in with pitch control. you can map pitch to waves... complex waves, allowing for the generation of all kinds of complex melodies. combine that with midi out, and you build really beautiful textures.
on the "traditional" drum level, even slight variations in pitch can bring the part alive.
A "new" patch provides a basic beat, and an online community shares presets. You can get some ideas here, and see how people build their own beats.
I give this community a "B-" right now, but I'm sure it will get better over time.
A few suggestions:
A very straightforward tutorial would be helpful. I've been using it for weeks now, and still don't quite understand when a note actually triggers, and how to have more control over that. The serendipity is AWESOME, but i fell like if I understood the concept more clearly, I could have more control.
Presets of different genres, a la Laurent's StepPolyArp, and ChordPolyPad.
Tutorials that build 1. A rock beat 2. A jazz/ethnic beat 3. A melodic sequence (to demonstrate the possibilities).
Should you buy it? Quite possibly. I like doing crazy things with my apps. I spent all morning driving mitosynth through steppolyarp controlled by chordpolypad. Next, I'm going to sync it up with some different drums. If you're like me, different drummer is essential.
If different drummer piques your curiosity, and you can afford to buy apps when you want them, I totally recommend it. Take the time to learn how it works. Experiment with each wave form, and each parameter (pitch, rests, ties, etc) When you "get it" you'll totally understand the value of it.
If you're a mega-budget shopper this is a stretch, but a high return if suits your interest. i wouldn't count on a sale, and i support the price point of this app. it's brilliant, and was a lot of work. Devs gotta eat.
I think the community might further lose value once state saving is introduced, but the added functionality could be incredible. This is definitely an app for state saving.
Although it might be more difficult to get traditional rhythms and melodies from DD, I think it would be harder to replicate what you can get from it with a typical grid-based sequencer.
I've long wanted to put together a comprehensive tutorial, but I've yet to find the time. I went so far as to script it out, but never got back to it. Maybe one day. There are a few tutorials out there, but I haven't seen one that dives into some of the more esoteric, and interesting features.
The pitch control certainly makes sense with non-percussive instruments, but it might be harder to grasp how it plays into percussive instruments. Still, it results in the ability to have tuned percussion, which is pretty darn cool.
Good stuff from both of you (@funaddict and @johncali), still like that video. Maybe we could fund a kickstarter
Here's a rather dated video that shows midi control of iGrand and wave manipulation pretty well, but there are many new features that have been added since....