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My iPad Air 2 128 is full & my iPad Pro 512 is ready, but...

Excuse my frustration / ignorance of all things Apple!

I have two iPads: an Apple iPad Air 2 128 and an iPad Pro 512.

My iPad Air 2 128 is now so full of apps it cannot even update to the latest version of iOS. Can I simply delete some of the bigger apps with their IAP's? Will the IAP's be deleted at the same time I delete the app attached to it?

I have them both setup (if I recall correctly) so that they share everything, and are under the same name, etc.

So, if I first delete some apps from my iPad Air 2 128, how can I be sure I can find them on iTunes (or wherever the purchase confirmations are kept), and what about all the IAP's I purchased to compliment those apps? Isn't there some really simply step by step way to not only delete a few of the bigger apps on my iPad Air 2 128, but to load absolutely everything I have ever purchased onto the bigger iPad Pro 512? After all, the bigger iPad Pro 512 will easily hold everything that was on the smaller the iPad Air 2 128 (plus lots more).

I do not want to go through some fiddly process of deciding which apps and/or IAP's to copy to the bigger iPad Pro 512, I simply just want to load everything I have ever purchased including all IAP's onto the bigger Pad iPad Pro 512, and of course delete a few of the larger apps (and IAP's) from my smaller iPad Air 2 128, all with zero fuss.

Also, why do I keep getting annoying prompts to back things up to iCloud (or whatever it wants) when I store my data externally on hardware, so who cares about all that iCloud, iTunes remote storage nonsense? Given the power of modern processors, and the low cost of RAM, things like Dropbox, iCloud, iTunes, etc. are redundant IMHO. At least that's how I see things on PC's, and I cannot see what I can't act similarly with the iPads, right?

Also, is there some simple tutorial that shows exactly how to save files, copy files, retrieve files, organize files, move files, search for files, rename files, build directories, etc. on an iPad without using Dropbox, iCloud, iTunes, Wi-Fi, and all that remote nonsense? On a PC, this kind of file management is super easy, but on an iPad it's a confusing mess!

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  • Hi @puppychumful The easiest way to set up the new iPad Pro would be to restore a backup from the old iPad. After restoring the Settings and data files, it will go to work installing all the apps, so your new iPad will be a clone of the old one. Then you can go to work removing apps from the old iPad. Note that, if you have large apps, like wavetable synths, with not much data, you can remove them in Settings –> iPad Storage, while retaining the data. That can be handy. I've removed a couple of pipe organs that way, removing all the built-in waves, while saving the presets, in case I want to return to them.

    If you do need to mange apps on a piecemeal basis, you can look in the App Store: tap on the little picture icon, then select Purchased in the pop-up. If you're on the new device, you can install right from there; it'll show a cloud, meaning you can just download it (not buy). The only way to check IAPs is to open the app on the new device and find its Restore Purchases menu item. That's the only way to get them on the new device.

    Now, as to files. There are a lot of files on an iPad that you cannot see, due to the sandboxed system structure. It's not like a PC, where you can access every single data item (if you allow hidden files). So, it's a good idea to allow iCloud backup, so you can save/restore that hidden data. This particularly applies to app settings, presets, etc. You can control the contents of the backup in the iCloud area under your name at the top of Settings. Personally, I block my big data hogs (Photos, GoodReader, FileExplorer, etc.), and let the rest slip through. I manage the big data variously on my computer, Box, and my Sandisk memory stick. You should certainly maintain a current backup of your operational device, on computer or iCloud, just to protect against a device fault

    There is really no answer to your last question, about managing files manually. I use GoodReader and FileExplorer Pro to handle some files in ways different to the norm. They both let you manage files in a directory tree, and their files are all visible to the Files app, and to any app that uses the Files interface. Otherwise, the Files app is basically all you've got. You can see the files that apps expose in "On my iPad", but an app may have lots of internal data that it keeps hidden. I know there are special apps, like AudioShare, for music samples and so forth, but that's not my game. You can gain access to the full filesystem, but it requires hacking, and it's not for the merely curious, or for people who expect their device to work reliably.

    Please don't hurt me for explaining these things. As an independent-minded 6-year iOS veteran, these are just the facts as I understand them.

  • edited April 2020

    Thank you so much uncledave! How exactly do I reformat / erase the new iPad (it was used) and then restore a backup from the old iPad? Thus it will go to work installing all the apps, so my new iPad will be a clone of the old one as you suugest.

  • Which reminds me, given you are an iOS whiz, what's the best app for marking up PowerPoints and pdf's for teaching purposes when using an iPad hooked up to Zoom?

  • edited April 2020

    Go to settings, general to reset and do a full reset (erase all data and settings) to clear all apps and data. You will then need to renter your Apple ID and password, credit card info, etc. The device will offer to download all your apps. You can redownload all apps from the AppStore as well, but they won’t retain any data you added. Click on the profile icon and you will see “purchased”.

    When you do this anything on the iPad you might want to save is lost. However iCloud backup will keep a lot of it and redownload when you reopen the iPad.

    I’m reasonably sure of this but a second confirmation would make me feel more comfortable. I am sure someone will chime in. Good luck!

  • Thank you so much! I have zero data I want to keep, so can I not cancel iCloud and stop it from re-downloading crap I do not want? Also couldn't I simply use Automatic Setup to setup the new iPad and thus avoid me having to enter my Apple ID and password, credit card into etc? Also I have enabled iTunes Family Sharing can't I use that to re-download all apps?

  • @puppychumful After you erase the new iPad, you will be able to set it up as new. You will need to enter your Apple ID, which must be the same as the old one, if you want to restore all your data from it. After a few steps, setup will give you choices for configuration, and you'll select "Restore from backup". Then you just stand back and let it work. After restoring the data, it'll start installing all the apps. This may take a while... Your Home Screen and everything else will come back exactly as it was, just like an old pair of shoes.

    If you use a different Apple ID, your new device will be a whole new ballgame. If your new ID is a member of your family group, you'll be able to install the apps, but you'll lose any settings, presets, etc. that were on the old iPad. And I'm really not sure about IAPs under family sharing.

    Not sure about your other question. You might try the Apple Communities site. They probably have a section for educators, and I'd guess there's a lot of interest in remote teaching at the moment.

  • I think you get five gigs free from iCloud, after that three bucks a month for 50gb. I have read several threads here where computers were lost or stolen. Good to have iCloud in that eventuality. Worth some thought.

  • edited April 2020

    Sorry, $2.99 a month gets you 200gb storage!

  • Thank you guys, so much!

  • edited April 2020

    Help Help Help!

  • edited April 2020

    Help Help Help!

    I followed the instructions below exactly but it does not let me restore from my old iPad but only from my new iPad. The only choice it gives me is to backup from: "iPad (2) (This iPad Pro (10.5-inch))"

    So there is no selection to backup from my old iPad!

    Also, I forgot to mention that my old iPad is so full that some apps cannot load on it, so how do I ensure that my new iPad loads every app I have ever bought even if those app are not loaded onto my old iPad because it's too full?

    There must be a really simple set by step way to do this, right?

  • First, you must have a backup of your old iPad.

    Second, you must set the new iPad up as a new device. That means erasing whatever is on it now. Then, when you turn it on, you'll experience a sequence of menus beginning with "Hello" in one or several languages. After a few basic steps, it will ask how you want to set it up, and you'll select "Restore from a backup". Connect it to the computer and select the old device backup. You might need to delete any backups you've already made of the new iPad, to avoid confusion.

    Finally, it will not install apps that are not currently on the old iPad. But, because you're using the same Apple ID for both devices, you'll be able to go into the App Store, tap on the head or photo icon, select Purchases, Not on this Device, and install them yourself.

    If this still gives you trouble, you might need help from an Apple store.

  • Thank you Uncle, the Pup is blissful in a floppy-eared, doggy kind'a way!
    I will backup my old iPad to iTunes on my PC (I hate iTunes and want to poop on it, but understand the need in this case).
    I will then follow your avuncular literary stylings.
    Woof

  • edited May 2020

    Help, help, help! I've tried everything (yep all the usual online suggestions) and I've tried it on four separate laptops (yes four) all running Windows 10 and I cannot download iTunes from the Windows Store.

    I always get the prompt "This file does not have an app associated with it for performing this action. Please install an app or, if one is already installed, create an association in the Default Apps Settings page."

    Four separate laptops , how could it be so?

  • Restoring a newer iOS device from a much older iOS device can brick it. It has happened to me recently and Apple had to replace my device. So be careful, as Apple stores may be closed in your location. I had requested they look into this issue as it was most unfortunate. They may have implemented something to prevent such an occurrence. Idk

  • edited May 2020

    I suppose there may be some good reason why I cannot download iTunes from the Windows Store. I found a link to the latest version of iTunes so all's well!

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