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The main thing where these amp modeling programs come behind of the real thing is the distortion and that tube saturation. Cleans most of them do just fine. Bias does a good job compared to others however. You can use a real distortion pedal with bias(and use clean to cleanish tone on bias) and get hell of a lot more authentic tones out of it. Better yet if you use a tube preamp(or just a preamp section of a tube/hybrid amp and get the distortion from there, or use overdrive pedal before the preamp) and turn the preamp section off from bias. Also if you turn off the cab sim and use some quality impulses instead(you can load fiddlicator to fx chain of bias and load impulses there), its just as good as the real deal.
To my ear Amplitube sounds the closest to its real-life counterparts. There is something off about Bias. GarageBand amps have a really distinctive off-ness too. That said, anything can sound good. Can't be worse than a Big Muff recorded direct.
The only people who care about guitar tone are other guitarists. Play with joy. Tell stories. Get people dancing.
Regarding the OP, one inescapable reality is nothing played through headphones is likely to sound completely like playing in the same room as an amp. Guitar strings react to the sounds in the air around them, producing harmonics, overtones, and at loud volumes, feedback, that you just can't get any other way. The greatest amp sims available can't provide that.
I find that each of the amp sims I own have certain models that sound more "right" to me than others. To me the most Fenders on Amplitube are great and I can't stand the ones in Bias. Bias Orange amps are better than Amplitube and Tonestack to my ears. Etc. But it's all highly subjective in addition to being influenced by so many things such as interface, pickups, guitar, headphones, all acting in combination.
I'm out of the mainstream here, but Tonestack is magic for me. The first time I tried it I knew I had finally found what I've been looking for after years of trying hardware and software sims. With the exception of the Fender and Orange amps mentioned above, I've never been very happy. I always sense that I hear a crackly or crispiness that I just can't take. But Tonestack is absent whatever that is that turns me off.
That's just me, though. Something about my axe, rig, ears, and sensibility just clicks with Tonestack. But I'm convinced that is a totally different equation for every other individual.
I mostly use the box and EVH 5150 emulations, but I like bias a lot better than amplitube.
I also use guitar rig 5 on my Mac and they are both on par I would say!
Really makes me want to buy a box ac 15!
Pretty much. I saw a guy play with one of the first gen Line 6 modeling amps the other day and it wasn't bad at all.
My subjective opinion, I've said just a few times on here
amplitude doesn't cut it for me. I don't care for the sounds out of it. Not out of ampkit or the overloud either. Bias fix sounds the best to my ears. ToneStack has got the best fx, other than that, it sounds to digital/processed to me. Amp One sounds pretty dang good as well.
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The amp sims arent made to sound ghe same as playing in the same room with an amp, they are made to sound like playing back an amp recorded with various mics. Most often in professional studio, the miced amp isnt even in the same room as the guitarist, so there is no feedback or amps loudness effecting the strings(which wont even happen in any noticeable way anyways, unless you really try to do that)
so,..trying to narrow this down for myself as well. which would you guys recommend for a clean fender sound. like a princeton or deluxe reverb. i had many different modelers over the years and generally prefer to just concentrate on clean tones and use my pedals for everything else.
This one goes around and around. I must say I've changed my opinions on this one a few times. I really don't like the harsh (higher mid frequency) sounds that you get with pretty much all of them. I'm currently getting good results with Amplitube, even though I recently thought Bias was one of the better offerings.
Opinions are fine, but like for like examples would be cooler !
Heh. Sometimes my opinions change from day to day.
This.
For clean tones I like BIAS (and BIAS FX), Tonestack, Amplitube and Flying Haggis - all of which are able to deliver a nice Fender tone to my ears. I always EQ them to get a warmer sound though.
I think that happens with even some of the famous guitarists too. After years of experimenting with all manner of esoteric gear, they go back to their old Les Pauls / strats etc. and their Marshalls / Boogie's etc
I have got most of the amp sim apps but I use Bias fx almost exclusively these days. Pretty happy with the tones I'm getting. All the guitar and bass sounds on this one are Bias fx presets downloaded off the Tonecloud
I really didn't like Bias iOS when I first bought it about a year ago. I like mid gain Marshall sounds, and whenever I would set the front panel gain knob below 7, the sound would get noticeably thin and tinny (using Apogee Jam). Anyone else experience this?
A few days ago I gave it one more try before deleting it off my ipad. Through mostly dumb luck, I stumbled on a combination that solved the problem completely - I set the master app input gain pretty far below unity (nowhere near yellow), front panel amp gain dimed, then seasoned to taste using the preamp tube distortion deep edit control. I was able to get a clean-on-the-edge-of-breakup JTM45 tone that was fat and full with excellent dynamics, clarity, and string definition - way way better than the JTM45 preset.
Even the cab sim - which I'd never loved before - seemed to sound better. Not sure what happened because I really didn't do that much - not compared to all the tweaking I did when I first got it - but it sounds outstanding now. I compared it to Mobile Pod, Amplitube 4, and Tonestack, and Bias was the clear winner. The others all suffered from "blanket over the speaker" in varying degrees.
Has anyone else been through this scenario?
I have the same Apogee JAM interface, and getting the input level up to unity seems to require entirely too much gain. Fortunately, the amps don't seem to require that.
Would you care to share your tweaked JTM45 on Toneshare?
I bought a 15W tube amp in November and have mostly been playing through that and various pedals. (This sucker is loud, even on the <1W setting, so the pedals are necessary -- and fun.) But I still enjoy Bias FX and Tonestack. At the moment I'm really digging the saturation from Tonestack's Brownswood amp.
If your amp has fx loop, try running out of it(it will only take preamp signal, which is similar level to pedals, so no worries about blowing stuff up), turn the main volume down from your amp(if the signal leaks through fx loop even if you dont connect to fx loops return) to bias fx and turn off the preamp on bias for 1000 times better distorted sounds. Also use fiddlicator(and find some good impulses to load on it, you can find tons for free if you google free impulse responses or something like that) in biases fx chain for other speaker sims(and turn off speaker emulation from bias) for even better sounds.
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Bias FX/Amp still sounds best to me, Amp One 2nd. TS for FX.....
i gotta muck around with it more, but i was not digging the sound i was getting with bias amp the other day. def sounded fake to me. granted i need to test it more.
Yup, my take on it too.
I have both Bias FX (and Amp/Pedal) and ToneStack with the motherload expansion and there is room for both.
For what, let us not forget, is not really a lot of money for the quality. Rewind to my first guitar purchase 25 years ago and the excuse for an amp ... Looks at iPad ... Wow.
Sure it ain't like playing through a real life whatever but the convenience, the flexibility.
We live in great times for music making and I'm not getting bogged down in "tone discussions".
Very few albums make me say 'Wow, what a tone!' And theyre mostly by Prince.
All that said, Bias does sound fake. I do like Amp One a lot, but I just stick with the Fab Saturn.
I've come around on bias a little. It can sound pretty good, especially some of the amp matched presets.
The tone was in his fingers.
Well, of course, that too. But his guitar sounds and synth sounds are just so precisely good, especially pre-purple rain. And to think he was using a single synth, the Oberheim, to that point. iPad users here couldn't dream of such a thing
I have the same issue with the Jam - if the input gain even hints at yellow, that's too much, and it hits the app too hard, you can never get it clean.I keep the gain thumb wheel really low. Not a great way to get a full robust sound in the digital world, but it seems to work fine.
That patch is on tonecloud now called My JTM45. I've since tweaked it even better; in fact, for whatever reason now I can't seem to get a bad sound out of it unless I dip the front panel gain below 7. It's 95% the same as the stock JTM45 patch, so I'm bewildered as to what I did.
Also might help to mention that I compared sound quality on an older ipad vs my newer iphone (same patch), and the newer iphone was better. What I heard was a smoother and fatter top end. Sound was also good on the older ipad, iphone was maybe 20% better.