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Does Bias sound "Fake"?

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  • High5deniedHigh5denied

    @oat_phipps said:
    Very few albums make me say 'Wow, what a tone!' And theyre mostly by Prince.

    All that said, Bias does sound fake. I do like Amp One a lot, but I just stick with the Fab Saturn.

    Cool, I like Prince Well enough. Not for his guitar tone. I like Saturn too. I use it on most of my Bass Guitar stuff. I've tried it on my guitar, and it's not that it sounds fake, but just doesn't give me the kind of distortion tone I'm looking for for some of my tunes. I guess my ears are tuned in differently. I love Bias, the sound, tone. It sounds pretty damn real to me.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @High5denied said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    Very few albums make me say 'Wow, what a tone!' And theyre mostly by Prince.

    All that said, Bias does sound fake. I do like Amp One a lot, but I just stick with the Fab Saturn.

    Cool, I like Prince Well enough. Not for his guitar tone. I like Saturn too. I use it on most of my Bass Guitar stuff. I've tried it on my guitar, and it's not that it sounds fake, but just doesn't give me the kind of distortion tone I'm looking for for some of my tunes. I guess my ears are tuned in differently. I love Bias, the sound, tone. It sounds pretty damn real to me.

    I know what you mean about Saturn. I look at it as a 'guitar treatment' rather than an amp simulator, and I've gotten used to making iOS music with it and found its sweet spots. It's very easy to dial in a nice saturated tape or tube tone, and it can get a good smooth, sustained distortion a la arena rock (Journey). The inbetweens take a lot of tweaking, though, for something that's overdriven enough but not full on distortion.

  • Phil999Phil999

    effects that can be done in the digital realm: delay, reverb, pitch shift, granular, ...

    effects that take more advantage with analogue circuits: phaser, distortion or saturation (tubes, transistor preamps, tape), ringmodulation, BB delay, tape delay ...

  • PanthemusicalgoatPanthemusicalgoat

    @wim said:
    Regarding the OP, one inescapable reality is nothing played through headphones is likely to sound completely like playing in the same room as an amp. Guitar strings react to the sounds in the air around them, producing harmonics, overtones, and at loud volumes, feedback, that you just can't get any other way. The greatest amp sims available can't provide that.

    I find that each of the amp sims I own have certain models that sound more "right" to me than others. To me the most Fenders on Amplitube are great and I can't stand the ones in Bias. Bias Orange amps are better than Amplitube and Tonestack to my ears. Etc. But it's all highly subjective in addition to being influenced by so many things such as interface, pickups, guitar, headphones, all acting in combination.

    I'm out of the mainstream here, but Tonestack is magic for me. The first time I tried it I knew I had finally found what I've been looking for after years of trying hardware and software sims. With the exception of the Fender and Orange amps mentioned above, I've never been very happy. I always sense that I hear a crackly or crispiness that I just can't take. But Tonestack is absent whatever that is that turns me off.

    That's just me, though. Something about my axe, rig, ears, and sensibility just clicks with Tonestack. But I'm convinced that is a totally different equation for every other individual.

    Same. I dunno know why but tonestack clicked for me too. Another thing is I hate most pitch shifting fx in amp sims because they just add a bunch of garbled bad note tracking and you can't play full chords --tonestack's pitch shifter pedals on the other hand sound great. I've made some patches that sound amazing and there's not the horrible note tracking garbage it actually just shifts the pitch.

    I will say that tonestack can be a bit dry sounding sometimes and also even without a compressor the response sounds compressed but if you fiddle with it things sound amazing. I've had good luck adding xpander pedal in front of the chain with a low ratio. Added in the dynamic quality I was looking for

    Also even if your preset doesn't call for reverb adding a tiny bit of small room reverb really makes the sound more natural and less DI even you're not plying thru headphones

  • TritonmanTritonman
    edited April 2017

    Tonestack goes to the bottom of the heap for me. Much prefer Jam Up Pro xt or Bias or Amplitube or even Haggis for that matter. Nothing I have played through it sounds real every time I have tried it.

  • eustressoreustressor

    @Tritonman said:
    Tonestack goes to the bottom of the heap for me. Much prefer Jam Up Pro xt or Bias or Amplitube or even Haggis for that matter. Nothing I have played through it sounds real every time I have tried it.

    +1 for JamUp Pro, the poor dying blighter ... and honorable mention for Flying Haggis - suffices more often than not, particularly if you have Saturn in Auria for your woomph and sustain :sunglasses:

  • richardyotrichardyot

    I'm the other way, never liked JamUp but love Tonestack (and BIAS). As Johnny would say: toast.

  • ToMessToMess

    @richardyot said:
    I'm the other way, never liked JamUp but love Tonestack (and BIAS). As Johnny would say: toast.

    Yea i think i remember positive grid saying that jam up has poorer audio engine than bias. But its a while ago and they might have updated jam ups engine.

  • rad3drad3d

    I've heard great tones from several of the iOS modelers, and to be honest, I've heard plenty of crap tones from tube amps. I'm just not from the team that thinks a tube amp 'always' sounds better than a modeler. I think 'fake' can be pretty subjective in this regard.

    I also beleive there's way too much emphasis put on whether amp modelers perfectly emulate classic amps. I've always liked them for the non-standard tones you can get from them. More interested in building a unique tone than copping someone else's. Of course, the downfall of most modelers is that it's too easy to tweak yourself out of a good tone. A decent tube amp has simplicity on its side.

    I've gravitated more to Tonestack because it fits my playing style better, doesn't promote over tweaking as much as Bias, and has much better Midi support (at least the last time I looked). That being said, I find myself in Bias at times, as well. They both have their merits.

  • High5deniedHigh5denied
    edited April 2017

    @Tritonman said:
    Tonestack goes to the bottom of the heap for me. Much prefer Jam Up Pro xt or Bias or Amplitube or even Haggis for that matter. Nothing I have played through it sounds real every time I have tried it.

    Not quite the bottom for me, I reserve that for Amplitude and Garageband Amps and pedals. Well, maybe TS only close to bottom as far as anything Metal, especially Thrash/Death or the like. Sounds waaaay to fake to my ears. On all other fronts though, Tonestacks FX are top notch and quite good. JamUp and Bias FX/Amp are the ones for me, so easy to tweak to get the sounds I need. :) AmpOne is pretty good sounding as well. Love that one too.

  • mrufino1mrufino1

    They all sound fake, but when the right notes with the right attitude are played in the right places then they all sound great.

  • PanthemusicalgoatPanthemusicalgoat

    I think jamup and bias are actually the same engine now. I remember seeing an update that said they're both running on the same version of the sim now

  • Vibes71Vibes71

    Bias Amps + decent IR's used in BiasFX, those are the best sounding guitar amp sims in my opinion.
    Although every amp sim sound better with decent cab IR's (Rosen Digital, Ownhammer, Redwirez,...)

  • TheVimFuegoTheVimFuego

    Bias for amps, Tonestack for the effects for me.

    Great to be able to use both to be honest. Even if you shell out for all the IAPs the value is huge.

  • bpdarraghbpdarragh

    Hello all, this is exactly the post i was looking for, concise and factual.

    I am a recent user of both tonestack and bias. I have a full valve amp head set up with "bootique" pedals, but recently bought a cheap hybrid amp with effects loop and cab out to just plug and play with these 2 modellers. I have changed the preamp valve to a lower gain valve (5751) in order to squeeze as much tube goodness in the crunch channel (the clean channel on this amp does not use the preamp valve) whilst keeping gain down (I have gathered that a clean tone is essential for these 2 apps). However I recently heard that the best way to play my iphone with bias/tonestack (with a sonic port, with 1/4 guitar in and 1/4 out) is to go into the effects return directly. this will bypass the single valve preamp entirely of course. I would like to utilise the valve to get the best the best tone (I appreciate this is a topic of debate, some say valve preamps are a gimmick). Can I go:

    Guitar to front of amp
    Effects loop out > sonic port (connected to iphone)
    Sonic port out> effects loop in

    Thereby keeping the valve (yes, arguably) goodness of the single valve preamp (5751 - a lower gain 12AX7)?

    Or do I have to not use the effects loop out, but go straight into the return, straight to the solid state power amp? it is a laney LV200 BTW

    This amp will going into a 2x12 with celestion G65s so would disable the cab sims entirely.

    As a pedal user I generally do follow the distortion/overdrive pedals in front, time based effects in the loop rule with my valve amp. Or should i just go in front with this practrice amp set up, bypassing the fx loop altogether? I have tried tried straight in front with my valve amp and was impressed. I will be using a wide variety of tones, from sparkly country to overdriven sounds.

    Any further advice welcome, even though this thread covered a lot of what I was seeking

    keep it at 11!!

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