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Edited: VERY DISCOMFITED and not happy!!!! Deleted iOS 9 update leaving data behind!!!
Folks, normally if one does not want an update (I have a test device on 9, but I don't want to update the others), one normally just deletes the update from Settings -> General etc.
However, there has been a report that the update is leaving behind a large footprint even when this is done. I was wondering about that myself on a couple of devices where I saw an update size of 60MB and when I deleted that I still seemed to have less free space than I previously remembered having on the device - perhaps of the order of 1GB.
Can anyone confirm - or otherwise?
If this is happening this is a definite no-no!
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The 'left overs' are usually cleaned when doing a sync with iTunes. iOS will also automatically get rid of them when it's running out of space, it will also clean out app caches, this is why sometimes apps can be labeled with 'cleaning...'. This only happens when there is next to nothing left...
I've not noticed anything taking up extra space after an update though.
Did that @Samu - first thing when it was notified - no difference.
Did you also do a 'hard-reset'(Holding down home and power-button until you see the Apple-Logo) efter deleting it?
I didn't, but I will @Samu (Y) . And then I'll resync again. Always good to be reminded of the staples. Was up coding until 3:45 - bit fuzzy this morning :-)
OK. So. Did that - no change. I've deleted and re-added email accounts, cleared Safari cache, etc. etc. I still have 4GB sitting in Other. I do not want to wipe and restore this device - would be hours setting back up with patches, tracks in Cubasis I'm working on, Alchemy libraries, etc. etc.
I noted that the 9.0.2 update got pushed now today too, BUT, look at the size. This is not true. It's only 46.8MB - but the update from 7.1.2 - which this device is on - to 9 would be about 1GB.
So, I am concerned that the deleted versions of the actual update data are going into Other and not getting cleared out. I've only got about 7.5GB of actual used apps + app storage on this device. (16GB) and only have 1GB free.
OK. Someone else did some rummaging around over at iPM and it does indeed appear that iOS 9 updates leave an undeletable ~ 1GB image around. That is BAD news if the case. BAD news.
It makes sense too... there is NO WAY Apple's updates would be as small as you reported them to be.
Exactly. Interesting, I deleted the 48MB 9.0.2 "update" (from 9.0.1) from my iOS 9 sacrifice device. No change - had 4.1GB free before and after. I let it redownload - it said 48MB. But, after it redownloaded, it showed as 112MB in the Usage list. OK. So, I let it install and now I have 4.3GB free.
So, yes, I suspect there's some very bad things going on here - i.e. that the 48MB is just a front-end app now - whatever device. This is BAD news. Esp. if one cannot delete the whole 1GB update (and who knows how many of those????) from older devices.
Further. I did do a backup and restore on my iPad 3 7.1.2. And, you know what it freed for me to be able to get more space??? NOT the 4GB of Other data. Oh no. All my Alchemy libraries instead. That 4GB of Other data is still there!!!! NOT GOOD! AT ALL!
And, of course, now all my Animoog patches don't sound. Have to redownload those as well.
This has to stop. This was not happening before. I had around 4GB free on that iPad 3 before the 9 series came out... I'm thinking it's leaving a 9 image every time that one can't delete. Or something.
It sounds to me like Apple's doing a little sleight-of-hand/misdirection with its reportedly smaller install sizes. Wait, did they say that it would be smaller sizes, or that the install itself would require less free space? What was the exact wording? I suspect they were probably very careful with their wording, and that devices "can" upgrade with a small amount of free space, but that doesn't mean that it isn't taking up the same amount of space as before--just routing/storing is elsewhere. :-/
Little is understatment methinks @Audiojunkie...
Ah, "little" was just a figure of speech--a way of wording. :-) By the way, there was a fantastic app that used to be free and used all the time, but now it costs $30 and has fallen out of popularity. It did absolute wonders with freeing up space. I believe it was called PhoneClean. If someone has an up-to-date working copy, maybe he/she could do some testing. I used to be able to free up 2-3 Gigs of space in the past. Maybe it can help strip the crap out of the system.....
I read both +ve and -ve things about that app @AudioJunkie. (I believe some here - maybe not). About how it did indeed free up some of the Other space, but (and that's why I thought it was here) also deleted synth presets etc. etc.
It seems like a faster approach (did I really just say that? O.o ) would be to wipe the iPad and reload everything. I didn't really just say that did I?
Where do I send my invoice to Apple for my time doing this because they downloaded something I didn't ask for and don't want and which is costing me time (and therefore money) to fix because I can't now access the memory I paid for?
This is one of those "this should not happen" things...
Hmmm. Seems like the only two ways to get that storage back are
1.) wipe and reload the device
2.) install iOS 9
Does anyone have any other suggestions before I choose which of those to attempt?
:-(
Hi. Before update to iOS8 I had a similar problem. So I did a complete backup and restored my iPad to factory settings. And I recovered almost 10 Gb (I repeat, 10 Gb) of free space.
A lot of trash coming from downloading/deleting apps, running apps like iDelete, updates not complete, etc.
So my advice is to do the same. Reset your iPad as new.
As I consider that @fjblanco, the time involved in doing so is well beyond the benefit to me. I'd have not only to reload apps, but patches, projects, redownload IAPs, etc. - well into a day's work. And, this device was not full like that before the iOS 9 updates came along, so, I don't think it's related to other app deletions gone bad.
That's why I'm even considering going to 9 - at least I preserve a chunk of what I have already. I hope.
Well. I'm agree about the time wasted. And restoring every data. I my case, was the last chance to recover a lot of space. Everyone must consider their pro/cons. BTW, good luck and please share your experience.
Another problem presents itself... :-/ Since yesterday...
Since I use that iPad as part of my permanent rig setup - with an iCM4+, iCM2+ and another 2 iPads connected to a Mac, and, because Apple has broken connectivity with the iC devices with iOS 9 / El Capitan (not only the iC devices affected, but, particularly obvious with the iC devices because they connect multiple items together that will end up competing for audio clock source domination - so it exposes something Apple "broke" in iOS 9 / El Capitan when two or more updated devices are trying to play together - not something ostensibly wrong with the iC gear - as far as I understand it), it also means I am very reluctant to update that device to iOS 9 presently for that reason too
There will be times where I want to use it in that setup potentially alongside other iOS 9 devices - albeit I'm running Mountain Lion on the Mac.
Sigh.
Apple just pushed the iOS 9.0.2 66MB update to my iPhone 4S.... Yes - it says 66MB - BUT I now only have 94.7 MB left on my iPhone - whereas I had over 2GB+ the other day when I last checked! So, now, if I delete this 66MB, that hidden 1G (or multiple versions of it) is still going to be there. THIS IS WRONG APPLE!!!! VERY VERY WRONG. FORCED UPDATES ARE NOT WELCOME!!!!! :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
It essentially becomes a forced update when I cannot delete the update and the only way to recover the space is to do the update. THIS IS ENTIRELY WRONG OF APPLE. VERY VERY WRONG!!!!!
It's like U2 clandestinely invading my Air space.
My sister got roughly ~1,5GB extra free space after iOS9.0.2 update on her 8GB iPhone 4S, prior to update there was something like 300MB free... Now it shows over 2GB free. While I got back ~800MB on my 16GB iPhone 5 (I had around 6GB free prior to update, now it shows 7GB free... On the Air 2 i got back 2GB's worth of storage...
So it varies from user to user...
I also think it's better to send the feedback back to Apple because I doubt they will ever read posts to this forum
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Sure - was asking a question here originally @Samu :-) But, I have to work today - so was looking for a fix among friends if anyone had one. Waiting for Apple to issue a fix... Another story.
If space is precious it's best to avoid OTA updates completely and do it via iTunes.
I do agree that pushing out an update to users without notice is very bad practice, this has never happened to me though so it could be carrier related, i.e. carriers/ISPs cache the update on their servers and push it out to their customers when the network load is low...(The push is done the same way as the 'carrier updates', it happens in the background without possibility to stop it).
To recover lost space(The dreaded 'other' which is mostly cached files, IAP downloads etc.) I usually do a backup and factory-reset of the iOS device and restore from backup, this works best if the iOS version stays the same.
This 'storage' issue is also one of the reasons i personally stay away from 16GB iPads. (My iPhone 5 is still a 16GB version with around 7GB free and a handfull of music-related apps).
As for 'rolling' back Apple no longer signs iOS8.4.1, iOS9.0, iOS9.0.1 only iOS9.0.2 gets signed, this could also be part of the problem...
This wasn't a problem on my 16GB iPad when I had 4GB free on it @Samu - which I kept free specifically for audio purposes... :-/ - not expecting to have it filled up with iOS leftovers!!!! :-)
I don't WANT to do the update on this system. That's part of the problem. And, also, I don't want to spend the time wiping up and restoring this. Time is money.
In Settings, General, Usage, Manage Storage on my Mini Retina running iOS 8.4.1, it gives the size of the 9.0.2 update as 1.1GB, and it gives the option to delete it, is this not available on your iPad @MusicInclusive.
No - it shows up as 48MB @knewspeak. It looks like they separated the update itself - 1GB or so - from a very small loader process. Deleting the loader leaves the 1GB hanging around unable to be deleted. :-( (And, I think, possibly multiple versions, per previous iOS 9 update).
I don't know if it's doable but have you thought of JBing the device, after backing up of course, and also if it's available for your version of iOS, I know it's kind of a desperate measure but it may be the only option, except updating. You could then delete the update.
How are you deleting the update? Through settings/general/usage/manage storage, or through settings/general/software update? I deleted through the software update panel and that freed up my space easy...
JBing is illegal in the US for iPads @knewspeak. Still legal for iPhones. Not legal for iPads since Oct 2012
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/jailbreaking-now-legal-under-dmca-for-smartphones-but-not-tablets/
Hmmm. I'll look at that @Zetagy. Always done the former before. I'll check... See if it can be done / makes a difference.