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These are almost price competitive with MacBook Pros (specs:price wise anyway) and you can take the cover off and draw on it. I'm not interested but I'm glad they're going for it. Note though, even though it's 10-point multi-touch capable, that on the MS product page it doesn't really talk about touch; it talks an awful lot about pen control. And there's not a single image of a person with their finger on the screen but about 10 with pens.
I think for music it's all going to come down to how well Bigwig and FLStudio do. If you don't really wind up touching the screen much and instead use a keyboard and a pen it will be hard to justify the extra $1k over a nicely spec'd non-touch windows 10 laptop.
@syrupcore The first time I read through you post, I thought you referred to someone using 10 pens at once - now that I'd like to see! So much for speed reading...
That's interesting. So instead of using a program like Audiobus to connect Ableton to your Windows tablet app it would be from Ableton itself.
Like Reason. To connect Reason to Ableton you use the external instrument plugin. It uses ReWire. What's the Windows protocol that allows programs and tablet apps to talk to each other?
Good thoughts on touch and price. I have no thoughts today of going anywhere, buying anything etc. I have always said that I'm only interested in software and the app wilderness (musically) would have to change more than somewhat over in Surface World to get me buying one, rather than the iPad Pro (or whatever) at some stage as the investment I've already made in terms of apps and in time to loosely learn them is substantial.
HOWEVER, I'm glad the MS had a great event, that they made some noise, and we'll see over the next six to twelve month what the marketplace makes of it. I HOPE Apple are a few percent less complacent tomorrow morning than they may have been last week. My communist grandmother always used to say that you jump higher when you're on your toes.
oh I'm sorry I misunderstood, for tablet apps I don't know of one
I searched Google and I can't find anything about a Windows music program interfacing with a Windows Tablet app on Surface.
+1 for Audiobus and the iPad.
but since the surface runs your desktop apps why would you need that?
For example you can use Turnado on the iPad as an effect for you desktop DAW. Turnado for the iPad is only $25 vs $100 on the desktop. Also there are a lot of great synths and effects that are only available on the iPad. You get the best of both worlds.
And that is why i still hope someday Apple announce that we can run OSX and iOS on one device and that booth OS works seperate but can connect to eachother when needed. Would be perfect for me. Microsoft did the right hardware since Apple did the better software (but that can change very fast too).
Sure, the only reason not to do such a thing is they would compete too much with their own other products.
But the Surface Book gots still lots of good voices after first short tests. I really wish Microsoft good luck with this and hope that it push Apple to think different again
I´m also sure we see some cheaper products in this category soon. But please make it also in 15"....better 16-17"
+1 to Johnny and cinebient (et al) on competition, toes, etc.
I'm wary of good feedback in the first few days on a high dollar (and by all appearances a high quality) item. I'm sure it's a delight. In this case I'm interested to hear how the convertible nature of this thing helps those who purchased it do things in 6 months. I fear this will largely be a "real nice office machine" that people take handwritten notes on, sometimes (an average typist can type faster than most hand writers). I say fear only in the sense that I selfishly hope it does a good deal more than that for folks with an eye towards the value of competition remarks earlier in this thread.
if I didn't already own Bitwig, and some other lovely Windows software and vst, I wouldn't have considered SP 3. It was only about a week ago I figured out the best (AB based) mobile music trainset this boy ever had (clip launching, live audio tracks, 1st tier synths and drum boxes all singing all dancing). And that's what Bitwigs all about too
Music IO: Audio and MIDI over USB by Power Trio
https://appsto.re/gb/iLaL5.i
Wow that's a hell of a good deal for $9.99!
Apple filed a patent for a hybrid iOS/OS X computer in 2013 but that doesn't mean they will make it. I think the big problem is that iOS runs on Apple's A series CPU and OS X is made for Intel.
Maybe Apple could build an iOS emulator into OS X or they could repeat 2005 by switching CPUs (Power PC to Intel). They could make OS X run on their A line of CPUs. Apple would have design a more powerful CPU than what's in the iPad. It would suck for third party developers. I'm betting on emulation.
Apple's hybrid patent (2013):
http://www.cultofmac.com/222730/apples-patent-for-a-hybrid-ipadmacbook-is-eerily-similar-to-the-microsoft-surface/
I'm no engineer, but, yes Mac are Intel CPU's. Windows make an Intel based Surface Pro, so why can't Apple build IPad Pro on a Intel chip base also? If they done that, then a crossover might be a reality? It would be be a hell easier for devs too.
They also could put in an intel AND an ARM chip maybe?!
The type of Intel chips in these devices require a fan.
One of the greatest assets of iOS devices is that they don't have fans and are completely silent. That's because of the A-series chips.
But if you look at geekbench scores between Intel and Apple chips, you'll see that Intel outperform, but require heat management to deal with that, which means lower battery life for the device, both because of the heat generated by a more capable processor, and the energy required to manage that heat.
As a musician, I only want a completely silent portable device, and I'm not going back, even for more "power".
Also, there will never be an iOS and OS X convergence on iPhone or iPad.
OSX might get more iOS features though, and eventually have a touch screen device for that platform. Maybe they will simply do a duet display type of thing in the future and ask OS X developers to touch enable apps through a combination between a MacBook and iPad.
And iOS might get a secure user file/folder system someday, but iOS will evolve on its own into whatever it should be. And it will have all the runway it needs to do that because the entire model hinges on people getting new iphone plans.
But ultimately, Apple will not do anything on the iOS platform which will compromise device security. It is by far their most proven asset.
Microsoft have the worst security record of any platform in history, and funded a lot of FUD campaigns to claim other platforms were just as insecure but weren't targeted because they didn't have a large enough install base to entice virus-makers.
Apple has proven with their iOS platform and massive install base that Microsoft were full of shit.
Because of that, I'll never support Microsoft no matter who is running it, and hope they continue to fail in the marketplace with their tablets, just like they are failing with their phones.
The fan in my Macbook never makes any sound while creating music, even with lots of Omnisphere multis playing live...... only B2 reverb when rendering with 4X oversampling or Kaleidoscope let the fan running
Apple did a good job, yes but now they can sell every new minor update to sheeps for a grand.
If there was no more competition at all..... i don´t think it is good.
IOS is more important for Apple as OSX maybe since especially the iPhones are the marge makers. But i do not want to wait years to get the same things on a touch screen finally which exist already since years when it would be possible just NOW (if they wanted).
I understand it for iPhones but no way for large tablets. I want to choose RAM, CPU and space when i buy a "pro" device for a grand or more.
Who knows, in 10 years we work with Applesoft devices
Also, & I don't know about anyone else, my iPad Air 1 creates a lot of heat. Especially, on the sides where the charger goes. Then gets hot when charging(for obvious reasons). All batteries get warm/ hot while it's being charged...
My Air 1 got really hot while playing with Mitosynth... but not as hot like my Macbook Pro for sure. In winter it´s a good device ; ) It can get really hot so that you can´t put it direct on your legs skin.
Same here. I also think humidity effects it also. Nice in Winter, but too hot in Summer.
Here is some feedback from one dude who has been using Surface Pro 3 for a year.
Thanks @SirKen. Watched the whole thing which I was surprised about. Warts and all. Lots of info. Little idiosyncratic, but answers many of our different questions.
I agree, my MacBook Pro is the same way.
That said, if I heard the sound of a fan in my phone or tablet, I'd be pissed. Not only because fans have a way of failing and getting louder over time, but they're distracting.
Since iOS devices generally retain value, the only way to play this game and not be a $1000 per upgrade "sheep" is to upgrade every year or two, and sell your used device on EBay or something similar which allows you to get the maximum amount of $$$.
That makes the devices, after your initial outlay (a 128GB Air 2 from Apple is $699) with a one year upgrade costing somewhere between $100 to $200 and a two year upgrade costing between $150 and $300, and every time you do it you own the device.
That's a pretty small "rental fee" to stay upgraded and on top of things. The only "sheep" are those that buy at $700 and then sit on it for 4 years, and then have to scrape together $700 to get a new one.
I don't think we have a choice here. Apple is in the process of reinventing a completely secure OS. They are not just going to simply merge in OSX. They will be reinventing things as they go.
I think it's just the 128GB iPad Pro that is $949. The 32GB is $799.
The difference is that if Apple let everyone choose their CPU, than it would be fractured as a platform for developers. I appreciate that Apple maintains a similar chipset for each device platform. It's much more stabilizing for the app ecosystem.
I fail to find the appeal of getting anything that runs Windows desktop software over anything that runs Mac OS X software, since at a marginal added cost, you can install Windows on on OS X device. Can't do that with Windows, probably ever. Advantage Apple.
Not particularly concerned about merging OS X and iOS, either. So many more ways are evolving (some by Apple, some by third party apps) that allow transferring all the goodies from either back and forth. And that MacBook you're syncing with could easily run Windows, too. Again, advantage Apple.
And that's not even touching on ecosystems ... Could be I'm missing something, but I've never had a UX on a Windows device 1/10 as nice as on an Apple device. But if I needed some crucial Wintel software, I could install it on a Macbook. If you want Logic on a Windows desktop driven device, good luck.
My fairly biased 2 cents. Made the switch from Windows to Apple in 2002 and never looked back.
I found it in line with my personal expectations. A lot of potential but needs more interface changes. I am not too hot on using the stylus for music production which is why I am waiting a bit for wider adoption. DAW and plugin developers can then justify adding touch screen specific interfaces.
@AQ808: I got 300€ for my used iPad Air 1 128GB 4G which costs me about 900€
But even if i would pay 200€ each year there is no reason for me for minor upgrades. I would rather buy a new Macbook Pro and resell my old. But mostly i gift older devices to my family and or i use them until they break (like my car). No iPad in the last years solved the issues i had with iOS. The RAM issue could be solve with an iPad Pro (but not sure if 4GB are enough for me with apps getting larger). IOS is the thing which don´t let me buy a new iPad anytime soon... not the tools or apps. I still find many great apps "wasted" and would prefer an AU version because i could do a lot more then with it. But that´s just me again 
Then i want a complete device for creating, designing sound, mixing and a little mastering. On an iPAD i would need an additional audio interface since the output is very thin. There are other things too for what i would need additional hardware to get the same results like on my notebook.
I never make music on the go, just at home. I never could create music in a train or bus with lots of people around me.... hate it so much. So i doesn´t need a super mobile device. For all mobile things an iPhone fits also of cousre a lot better as an iPad. The iPad Pro wouldn´t be much more portable as my notebook for me and a notebook wins hand down when i sit and put it on my legs. IPad is great for holding over my face while laying on the couch. But alo here my damaged back and shoulders gets faster fatigue. For me it´s a lot better to use a notebook and after 2 years of an iPad i don´t like(d) that form factor too much. A larger iPhone would be great but sadly developers prefer the iPad. The are just a few things i could do faster with an iPad today while i can do 95% of the things i do a lot faster on my notebook.
I use one big DAW and a few Audio Units which can do nearly everything which in can do with iOS (beside touch... but i can control plug-ins via iPhone or iPad f.e.).
Some years ago i started with an iPhone 4, created hundread of tracks with it and loved it, then i bought an iPad 2.... didn´t liked it and returned it. Created with an iPhone 5 after it (which i still use now). Then i bought an iPad Air and for some reason i always didn´t found it any impressing to do whole tracks on it compared to my iPhone. Maybe i´m more the all or nothing type of guy.... really full mobile with very limited and focused apps on just an iPhone (which i will try again in near future) or full blown desktop software where i can really live my imagination more in terms of expressive instruments and synths from outa space like Omnisphere, Dune 2, Bazille, Zebra etc.
The iPad was for me always between this and i found me that i don´t fit in as iOS musician since for me just music exist...no iOS music. But iOS music, especially iPads are still so seperated on soundcloud, forums, wherever.
At the end it doesn´t matter what and where someone created sounds. The results are important and even more if you like what you do. Creating music is now one of my most important parts in my life and iOS put me in there. Without iOS and NanoStudio and ThumbJam i never had even tryed to create my own sounds. And i learned a lot in simple apps to get started with more complex tools. Seems that´s just my evolution.
Sorry that i often sound a bit negativ but i really appreciate what iOS and especially the third party developers gave me. I don´t know if i have still some good years so i wanted to go further and bought some expensive tools to express myself before it´s too late. No one would pay over 259€ for a solo cello as an hobbyist maybe but for me such things are worth the price. F.e. Emotional Cello i play often 1-2 hours just to came down. The way you can use abot 50 articulations is just awesome and you can really "feel" that while playing while many iOS things are too static for me. If i would love such an instrument on an iPad too..... def. yes! But good that there is still ThumbJam on my iPhone..... everything is fine!
Just for the record fan or no fan according to the experts the Air 2 was the fastest tablet on the market last year. It's like my 1Ghz Power PC Mac laptop back in the day. It performed like a 2.3 Ghz Intel in 2003. There's more to it like the speed of the OS, the motherboard, graphics GPU, etc. Apple's hardware engineers work with the software engineers that code iOS. They can design a CPU that maximizes the power of iOS and vis versa.
Cheers, @SirKen. Interesting stuff for sure.
I guess for me it boiled down to workflow, do i wait patiently for my Air 2/iOS to be what i want it to be for another frustrating 5 years or do i flog it.....keep my iphone 6 (Nanostudio!) and get a surface pro with Ableton etc.....a super stable and mature platform for my musings...with the same portability..and a plethora of pro grade vsts etc...
...who knows maybe i will get an ipad pro air 3 when it comes out...
I guess i am completely neutral when it comes to allegiances to global mega corporations....its all about the workflow....does it do what i need it to in the way i want it to?