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It is amazingly painful to use the piano roll in Cubasis. I gave up on it after several revisits. Adjusting note length and navigating.... I mean... did anyone who ever used a sequencer actually test this? The nail in the coffin was when I hit undo about five times and it destroyed my project and did an incomplete emergency dump of it. To me it is a radioactive crater I steer far from and have placed many warning signs for others.
For now I just use Fugue Machine synced to Cubasis for sequencing apps and record their audio in. Quick and awesome workflow which works for the style of tunes I want to make.
The navigitaion/audio editing in Auria was so good when I tried it a while ago that I think I am safely optimistic in assuming the piano roll will be useful in Pro.
As for Effectrix, whoot! So glad this is working well with A/B Cubasis now. 8)
fwiw MTS also only labels the C notes in the piano roll, unless you're in drum mode as Carnbot mentioned.
Thanks Carnbot - I might get MTS - but I just have that feeling of having 7 DAWs already... you know what i mean...
However....
After a lunch time paying with Cubasis (after having dumped it off my iPad for nearly a year) - i'm afraid that I think it's getting deleted again.
I'd resigned myself to it having no scale (or even note name) help in the piano roll for dummies like me. And i'd even memorised the notes of the scale for my track and was looking forward to biting the bullet on learning some scales.
But, after a good start this morning on IAA getting Animoog in and running through Effectrix as an IAA effect, with Sunrizer on a different track - and Crystaline on the master send...
... as soon as I booted up the same project at lunch time it took nearly half an hour to get all these components working again - Effectrix had crashed (I think) without giving any sign of crashing - but obviously it takes a while to figure out that's what the problem is. Animoog also had to be restarted about 3 times since it kept dropping off.
Then I thought i'd have my drums from Patterning. Another15 minutes to get Patterning loaded in (just had to try and reboot it and try again a few times to get it to actually come through properly).
Then the problem is hitting play n my 4 bars (3 tracks) has 2 issues:
the very first note right at the start of the bar doesn't trigger in Animoog - I think Animoog hasn't woken up in time or something
when you hit play Patterning plays its internal pattern at quadruple speed or something for the first bar then settles down between bars 2-4.
These 2 things happen without fail every time.
So all in all - quite a lot of time spent debugging and trying to get 3 tracks running with some external effects (Effectrix and Crystaline). The biggest killer is the time it takes to boot up and get stuff set up. Maybe fine if you are sitting down to 3 hour session - but as someone who works on music in their lunch hour and to/form work... it's pretty pointless exercise....
By the way i'm on a brand new iPad Air 2 with 128GB and loads of storage free - and nothing else is open.
I'll stop moaning now and go back to "Gadget into Auria" (and possibly some live jamming with Genome and MTD plus a couple apps - which is actually pretty stable for IAA and seems to have very little set up time and no mysterious bugs on the set up at least - it's just difficult to craft a whole rack with Genome and this method).
Or i'll buy MTS...
Bought MTS
I expect a full report on my desk before 9 in the morning. Texas Country Time.
Now that sounds like a butt load of Cubasis IAA trauma... What OS are you running?
Whew - that is good confirmation of my choice to go to Auria!
Running on new Air2/64 iOS 9.1.
I agonized quite a bit, but just got the feeling that, once the iOS9 dust settles and AP descends from the heavens, it will be a real go-to app. Being a total noob (a whole 2 months under my belt!!) I was quite intimidated by Auria at first - they do tend to slant their marketing towards the 'big guys'... But, much like Photoshop, there is a lot of heavy tech parts I may never use, but editing and effects control are so easy that it is working out quite well. I got the sinking feeling that Cubasis was showing some signs of age... despite may positive reviews from happy users.
AB is, currently not working, is the semi-showstopper for the internals-only 'enthusiast' user.
So... few hours in...
Initially found MTS pretty unintuative to be honest.
took ages to work out I had to long press the instrument button to get the option of loading an IIA instrument. Manual was no help for this. In the end I found a tutorial video!!
I also got confused by the marking for the bars on the timeline. If you want a 4 bar loop you appear to start at beat 1 of bar zero until you reach the start of bar 4. Pretty odd.
I just wanted to have it loop round 4 bars so I could jab some random notes in and play around. But working out how to get it loop 4 bars took a while.
Anyway, after a few more things like that, now I've worked out the basics I feel that some form of full joy may be on the horizon.
I mean I'd forgotten what mess stringing apps together on iOS really is - and MTS is not the cure to all of this. But... I did end up getting Sunrizer, Animoog and Patterning all playing at the same time, in time, running off midi from MTS in the case of Sunrizer and Animoog.
I discovered that if you send the clock to apps loaded as IAA they really don't like that. That tripped me up with Patterning. IAA takes care of sync itself.
At one point I attempted some IAA effects too, but withdrew these for fear of overloading things since I figured I could apply these to the resulting audio afterwards.
I'm hoping there's s way to tweak the IAA effects live and record the result actually. But not sure about that.
The piano roll is kind of 5 out of 10 for me right now but I hope I'll get used to it. There's s lot of buttons to press but I did like the way it tells you the name of the note you selected. This helps me a lot working out if I'm in scale etc.
Anyway, perhaps it was user error with Cubasis earlier - but personally I'm pleased I've got MTS and want to press on with it.
Anyone know if you can alter velocities without buying the IAP?
Matt - to alter velocities, when you have a track's piano roll displayed, press the CONTR button on the bottom right.This opens up the things you can control for each note: note velocity, modulation, volume, etc... I've had the IAP forever but I believe this should be available on the non-Pro version too.
Forge on Sir knight, many of us back shivering in the Motherland are relying on your brave efforts. We imagine it a bountiful jungle to which you are applying the machete of your very self unto etc etc.
Good man.
^ What JGY said.
You are going through the same MTS initiation annoyances I think everyone goes through with the app....but am sure you'll be fan eventually. Totally recommend getting the pro Iap.. Join the MTS forum too...you can get answers there pretty quickly.
Yeah IAA doesn't need sync, it has its own...it has Au units too of course and iSem should be available soon
AU should be fun. Thanks.
@Carnbot - any way you know of to record tweaks live in IAA effects through to audio in MTS. I'm thinking not but would value your advice.
I'm looking forward to jamming in drum jam then having MTS record the midi. Then clean up, then play back to DrumJam. Possibly with Bedlum switched on at this point. And record the audio back to MTS via audiobus
One way to do that is with the pro extension, which has multiple outs and an interface, I use an IConnectAudio4. Then I route the output of the effects performance of a track onto a set of channels and record those channels as an input on a new track in MTS. Maybe there's a way to do it with Audiobus, I'm not sure off the top of my head.
What @JohnnyGoodyear and @syrupcore said - I'd like an alternative to Auria, so reading your MTS experiences with interest...
I don't own MTS but can you send it out a bus and make a new AB chain with that as input and MTS as AB output with a different track armed to record from AB?
If you have an audio interface with multiple channels yes you can choose to route it back to a new MTS track via audiobus so you could add an audiobus effect there too... but you don't need to, you can do it all in MTS and just route it there. Without an interface connected though I don't think you can do anything like this.
You're welcome
So far I have not invested in an iOS DAW. (Basically, I still consider it too limited compare to desktop, but I know things are rapidly evolving.)
I'm considering Auria because it is currently half the price of Cubasis. Could someone summarize the current pros and cons of each? This thread speaks of "other options" ... What is lacking about current Auria and/or Cubasis that leads one to seek "other options"? People are saying "wait for Auria Pro"... What's wrong with current Auria that could be addressed in "Pro"?
Auria at the moment is audio only, it doesn't support MIDI.
Cubasis does support MIDI and can be used as a sequencer to drive and record synths via AB or IAA. You can of course record soft synths in Auria, but you would need to sequence them with an external sequencer.
What Auria has in its favour is desktop class audio processing from its built-in plugins, and also with lots of options via IAP, including the full suite of Fabfilter plugins which are identical to the desktop equivalents. This means you can do better mixes in Auria because you have a whole range of excellent compressors, EQs, delays etc which are much better than anything else on iOS.
Auria Pro when it comes out will also bring MIDI to Auria, along with more flexible routing and audio warping. In theory it should put it way ahead of the competition, but of course we will have to see how it pans out in practice.
I'm not too bothered about the lack of MIDI, but for me Auria is proving to be too flakey for serious work. I've so far had four major crashes where all audio has been wiped out, only two of those were recoverable via saved snapshots, and even then work was lost. Then there's the faffing around required to record audio in via AB and IAA - at almost every session I'll lose all sound at some point.
Lots of good things about the app - editing, effect handling, automation etc. but for me the stabiility isn't there.
Just to add a couple more things:
Stuff that I like about Cubasis:
Really nice built-in synth, Micrologue.
Easy routing of audio and MIDI, easy to set up and seems to work with more or less everything I've tried.
Probably the best current MIDI capable DAW on iOS
Stuff that I don't like about Cubasis:
Piano roll editor could be better.
Getting stuff in and out is a royal pain, have to use the media bay instead of just export from the timeline.
Very limited audio editing.
Weak plugins.
Stuff I like about Auria:
Plugins.
Subgroups.
Aux sends.
Much better mixer than Cubasis.
Stuff I don't like about Auria:
Not mad on the convolution reverb, sounds a bit iffy to my ears.
Wish you could re-order inserts.
Wish you could save presets for a whole channel strip, with all plugin settings.
It gets quite expensive once you buy all the plugins
Sorry - thanks for this @Coloobar - much appreciated...
Another point to add, depending on what iPad you have is that Cubasis and Auria are both pretty BIG and heavy on processor power.
The advantages of MultiTrack DAW (amazing, slim, cheaper - but no MIDI) and MultiTrack Studio (less heavy on resources I think, does have both audio and MIDI, I bought it yesterday) is that theoretically you're not hammering you iPad so heavily so you can run more IAA or AB apps into them simultaneously.
@Carnbot or anyone else - what's you view on the quality of the in built effects modules in MTS please? Are they a viable alternative to taking the track into Auria once finished and applying the Auria plugins?
I can answer that...no they're not, they don't measure to Auria's stock plugs either.
To be honest I always mixdown any IAA or AB effect I use straight away, for reasons we've already discussed many times - these technologies are just not suited to be used over several sessions.
But to counter your point, in Auria on an iPad Air 2 you can run 20 to 30 native plugins simultaneously without having to freeze your tracks, and that includes Fabfilters. You can't do that kind of thing in any other iOS DAW that I'm aware of.
It's partly because Auria has a separate buffer size for mixing than it does for recording, so while you can set your record buffer size to 128, once you're mixing it rises to 4096 which is why you can run all the plugins without killing the CPU.
Maybe if we all together bombard the Dev who made MultiTrak Daw to add midi, he might? Tho he is a one man band bless him. But there again you can use MidiBus to clock up the Synths when recording into MTD.
Thanks so much, guys. This is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Like I was totally unaware that Auria had no MIDI -- total dealbreaker for me.
Since we are comparing, and I think no one else mentioned it, I should relate my experience w/ the only iOS DAW I've actually used, GarageBand. Pros: It's FREE. Great built-in instruments and guitar fx. Cons: Long list, but for starters ... No automation! No EQ or compression! No real mixer of any kind... And so on.
This all seems to confirm for me that iOS DAW is getting there, but is not there yet.
(BTW, MultiTrack Studio seemed a promising lead based on what I was reading in this thread ... until I started reading the reviews in the App Store. Wow. You expect App Store reviews to be harsh, but wow.)